With near universal approval can we get a response about dual spec please

So why are you trying to equate peripheral systems that are happen-stance and not a game design choice, with game design choices?

Zipzo reinventing reality again to support his assertions. :joy:

Because your argument for no dual spec is the same the argument for why batching was added in classic.

…No it isn’t?

My argument for no dual spec isn’t just one line of thought.

However, the more nuanced lines of thought are barricaded behind the fact that ultimately, it wasn’t a feature in TBC, and should remain not-a-feature in TBC. That’s not a personal “I feel” argument. It literally was not in TBC.

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Lying like a politician :open_mouth:

keep in mind that you’re arguing with children. they think they can get you on some stupid leap of logic that only makes sense to them, lol. as if thinking X about the batching changes means you must support dual spec, or whatever.

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I already know the predictable response that gets regurgitated to my last comment, so I’ll address that too:

“Seal of the Martyr/58 boosts/whatever else wasn’t a feature in TBC either!”

Yes. You are correct. They weren’t. I also would have preferred these be left out too. In fact, I was against the energy change too (infamously) and I literally main cat.

However, Blizzard added them and I can justify them to myself that they were changes made in the spirit of balancing an aspect of the game that could only serve to hurt the game for large swathes of people if left alone.

Adding dual spec doesn’t balance anything. It doesn’t hurt the game to not add it. It’s a pure and simple convenience feature, characterized by their approach to later expansions that ultimately resulted in the reason many of us wanted to backtrack to older expansions.

I pay $15/month to play an as-close-as-possible-to-how-TBC-was server. So of course, naturally, I will be against any change that threatens to reduce this quality of the server I play on.

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He talks himself into why this changes are good for the game and then retreats right back into #NoChanges.

:joy:

I just can’t with these people anymore.

What choice do I have?

The only other option is quit. You’ve been called out before by others for this fallacious argument.

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If all the changes so far haven’t made you quit, then Dual Spec won’t budge you any further.

If anything, you’ll just talk yourself into that one as well.

Just because something won’t make me quit doesn’t mean I don’t have an opinion on whether it should be added to the game I play or not :slight_smile:

Also, there’s no guarantees. Dual spec would have a very real effect on how I feel about the game.

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Yup, you sure had an opinion on…

Yes, sir. Your opinion on that. It sure was something, wasn’t it?

Most of the time your irritating pedantry is digestible for what it is but sometimes you post things that appear to be attempting a point, but aren’t quite making it there.

This is one of those.

In my opinion, we shouldn’t have the level 58 boost.

We have the level 58 boost.

So, how stating my opinion helpful?

We don’t have dual spec.

Analogy broken.

The lvl 58 boosts continue to be disaster, and I’d retroactively remove them if I could but we know that won’t happen.

We didn’t have any of these things before we had them.

Right, so now, more specifically, is a better time to to argue against dual spec. Before we have it (but hopefully won’t due to the pushback, which I’m lending my voice to).

Unlike the 58 boost, which was decided before the game even came out, and the only time to argue about that was pre-release (which I did).

This is false. Several folks in my guild have boosted. We’re running raids, playing the game, gearing ourselves, having a fun time!

This is why, despite my opinion, I can at least acknowledge that I’m in the minority and there has been a net benefit to this change.

Sorry, but that’s just part of life and I don’t think you quite understand that. You don’t seem to get how you can be wrong and how that can be a good thing. Sometimes being right all the time isn’t good.

Just like your misguided thoughts on dual spec, you continue to only be able to think of yourself and not the effect it has on the overall game.

58 boosts are objectively terrible because of what it has done for bots, which I think even you can agree are bad for the game right?

I argued against the boost before the boost. We got the boost.

I argued against Seal of the Martyr before we got Seal of the Martyr. We got Seal of the Martyr.

Anything else I should argue against before they inevitably put it in the game?

I’ve simply acknowledged I’m in the minority on these things. My opinion doesn’t matter. This is now my MO: