With near universal approval can we get a response about dual spec please

[Throwinhands-thunderfury]

@Petdetective-pagle

@Throwinhands-thunderfury

Discoord has thousands and thousands of player driven communities in them.

A discord community is not representative of the WoW community at large. It’s a fraction of the player base and more than likely the most “hardcore” of that player base.

To that point, a discord ran poll is incredibly biased. The only fair poll would be a bnet poll given to ALL players.

That’s cute that you think discoord communities are the “Minority” group lol

This forum is a joke full of trolls and white knighters. Discoords have been spammed in classic since the beginning. There is more information in the discoords than you can google now. We put all the needed info to all classes/specs/ guides ect into these discoords.

Maybe get a mic and join us bud you’re the minority. The discoords are alive these forums are a joke. Theres a reason why entire servers have been xfering from place to place together when one side overruns the other.

I’m not saying thats a good thing but entire servers can communicate now through discoord.

[Arielba-sulfuras]

stop calling it discoord. is there something wrong with your o key or what

[Ziryus-doomhammer (Ziryus)]

@Petdetective-pagle

@Throwinhands-thunderfury

Discoord has thousands and thousands of player driven communities in them.

A discord community is not representative of the WoW community at large. It’s a fraction of the player base and more than likely the most “hardcore” of that player base.

To that point, a discord ran poll is incredibly biased. The only fair poll would be a bnet poll given to ALL players.

I think the anti dual spec crowd would be very disappointed in a bnet poll, I’ve found most people in game are perfectly fine with QoL improvements.

[Petdetective-pagle]

@Ziryus-doomhammer

I’ve found most people in game are perfectly fine with QoL improvements.

Neat! Your friend group tends to have similar thoughts as you. That’s why anecdotes aren’t really all that helpful.

Regardless, even if the majority did want it, which I doubt, that doesn’t change much. The design of the game isn’t really based off of a democratic system.

WotLK features will likely come with WotLK classic though. So dual spec isn’t that far away.

[Ziryus-doomhammer (Ziryus)]

@Petdetective-pagle

Regardless, even if the majority did want it, which I doubt, that doesn’t change much.

No it doesn’t, unless of course blizzard decides that adding it will help them retain more subs than not adding it

[Outoftables-bleeding-hollow]

It needs it

[Petdetective-pagle]

@Ziryus-doomhammer

unless of course blizzard decides that adding it will help them retain more subs than not adding it

I wouldn’t count on that. People have asked for dual spec since Classic and it’s never been addressed.

When Blizzard actually considers a change, they do so quickly such as HvH BGs, pally seals, etc.

The earliest they could implement it is in Season 3 but at that point, might as well just wait for WotLK.

[Ziryus-doomhammer (Ziryus)]

@Petdetective-pagle

When Blizzard actually considers a change, they do so quickly such as HvH BGs, pally seals, etc.

/shrug look how long it took them to fix batching which was widely hated since being added in classic beta.

[Petdetective-pagle]

@Ziryus-doomhammer

/shrug look how long it took them to fix batching which was widely hated since being added in classic beta

Batching isn’t even remotely comparable to dual specs.

Besides. they only changed batching in the prepatch. If you want dual specs for Wrath prepatch, I’d be ok with this.

[Ziryus-doomhammer (Ziryus)]

@Petdetective-pagle

@Ziryus-doomhammer

/shrug look how long it took them to fix batching which was widely hated since being added in classic beta

Batching isn’t even remotely comparable to dual specs.

Besides. they only changed batching in the prepatch. If you want dual specs for Wrath prepatch, I’d be o k with this.

Right batching, was actually a major issue that impacted everyone and everything and actively made gameplay worse.

[Zipzo-atiesh]

Lack of dual spec doesn’t do this though, a lack of dual spec is just TBC…being TBC.

Batching was a thing Blizzard artificially implemented themselves.

[Ziryus-doomhammer (Ziryus)]

@Zipzo-atiesh

Lack of dual spec doesn’t do this though, a lack of dual spec is just TBC…being TBC.

Batching was a thing Blizz ard artificially implemented themselves.

It was added for the same reason as your argument against dual spec, #nochanges.

[Zipzo-atiesh]

Batching is a bit of a different animal though, because it was still a modern, artificial creation intended to try and recreate a “feeling”, rather than an actual, inherent, client-based reality of the expansion. It was based on replicating poor internet connections, not any feature/mechanic of the game.

[Ziryus-doomhammer (Ziryus)]

@Zipzo-atiesh

Batching is a bit of a different animal though, because it was still a modern, artificial creation intended to try and recreate a “feeling”, rather than an actual, inherent, client-based reality of the expansion. It was based on replicating poor internet connections, not any feature/mec hanic of the game.

But that’s your only real argument against dual spec, IE that’s not how it was originally.

[Zipzo-atiesh]

The argument for batching for me would be like this.

Just like player skill and knowledge have improved, so have internet connections.

It still doesn’t mean we change anything about the game itself.

Which is what batching did. So that wasn’t a #nochanges feature. It was literally the opposite, in my view.

Hence, my view that Blizzard always makes changes with good intentions, but the road to hell, my friend.

[Ziryus-doomhammer (Ziryus)]

@Zipzo-atiesh

The argument for batching for me would be like this.

Just like player skill and knowledge have improved, so have internet connections.

It still doesn’t mean we change anything about the game itself.

Which is what batching did. So that wasn’t a #nochanges feature. It was literally the opposite, in my view.

Batching wasn’t to account for internet speeds, it was because of server performance. And yes it had a significant impact on game play because of how it interacted with mechanics.

[Zipzo-atiesh]

Batching in the way it existed BACK THEN, was purely a lag-compensation mechanic due to internet speeds. It wasn’t part of the design ethos of the game.

[Chuckaduck-thunderfury]

@Contracted-bigglesworth

But I do hate having to click my talents every time I retrain between combat and sub.

Its almost like you have to specialize.

[Chuckaduck-thunderfury]

@Zipzo-atiesh

It wasn’t part of the design ethos of the game.

Because players are known for only doing what was intended and not figuring out tricks to win.

[Ziryus-doomhammer (Ziryus)]

@Zipzo-atiesh

Batching in the way it existed BACK THEN, was purely a lag-compensation mechanic due to internet speeds. It wasn’t part of the design ethos of the game.

No it was literally a server side performance issue, and while it wasn’t a game design choice it certainly had huge gameplay implications.