With near universal approval can we get a response about dual spec please

Yes because of bots.

Iā€™m OK with a prot warrior doing this.

As long as they have to be near a trainer and pay 50g to do it. Nothing really stopping you from achieving this reality.

Yes, because as we all know that all changes begin and end at whether or not Zipzo is okay with them.

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Relax, kiddo. Weā€™re all here to simply share our opinions. Youā€™re not special. Nobody is.

I realize Iā€™m not special. Which is why I never lead off anything by talking about it from the standpoint of whether or not I want it.

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Does tinnitus make TBC no longer TBC? Does horde-vs-horde queues make TBC no longer TBC?

I donā€™t think dual-spec is an ā€œinvisible changeā€ because you would see the change and feel the change, both in yourself and other players.

I prefer lowering respec costs because it would feel like an invisible change. People wouldnā€™t be respecā€™ing mid-run, or talking about their other specs, or pressuring you to buy dual-spec.

That might be a compromiseā€¦ however, the dual-spec fanatics will still not like that since they are too lazy to visit the trainer.
Also, is it really necessary? I mean, 50 gold to respec is so easy to come by in TBCā€¦

Then who am I supposed to speak for if not myself for my contribution to valid to the great Kumasama?

Not sure. I never thought of myself as important enough to speak for myself with regard to widespread changes.

My ego isnā€™t nearly big enough for that. :grin:

Exactly, and there was a whole expansion released to address those issues.

Every expansion has its own issues due to various design choices that get made. All design choices are tradeoffs.

If you sign up to playing a classic rerelease of a game you are signing up to playing with the consequences of the design choices made for that expansion.

If you start fundamentally changing the design you then interfere with the integrity of the experience. Dual spec is one such thing, it is part of a suite of changes brought in during WoTLK to address design consequences in TBC. Adding it out of context will cause a potential chain reaction as you are applying a design ethos that is different to TBCs and comes in a later expansion. The chain reaction is that dual spec is only one part of the solution to TBCs problems, the solution to TBCs issues was WoTLK - youā€™ll have to wait for that and it had itā€™s own issues.

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At some level I also would have been against the other changes that have been made.

However Blizzard made them regardless of how I feel, so I have to do my best to rationalize how Iā€™m fine continuing to play the game as such, despite those changes.

The way Iā€™ve chosen to rationalize it is that the changes they have made have been for balance, which, is a pretty understandable framework because lack of balance leads to toxic gameplay and so I canā€¦ā€œget behindā€ those changes in a sense (but remember, it doesnā€™t mean I support their inclusion at a base).

Dual spec does not contribute to nor alleviate balance concerns in any way. All it contributes to is being a financial convenience for players, and giving them a level of control over their characterā€™s performance/status that they didnā€™t actually have in TBC, which imo, fundamentally ā€œbreaksā€ TBC design.

People arenā€™t respecā€™ing just to try new specs. Theyā€™re temporarily changing their spec then changing back again. So a 50g respec is actually a 100g respec.

Is 100g easy to come by? For the average player it would take about 1-2 hours to get that much gold. And the average player only plays a few hours per day.

Iā€™m not sure what youā€™re even talking about anymore.

Are you saying Iā€™m not allowed to have an opinion on changes to a game I play?

Blizzard turned off world buffs because everyone hated them. By your logic they should turn them back on and anyone who doesnā€™t like it should play something else.

World buffs werenā€™t used in original TBC thoughā€¦

Can you please explain to me how horde-vs-horde queues improve balance, but dual-spec doesnā€™t?

Awwā€¦ :crying_cat_face:

Yes they were.

Iā€™m not saying itā€™s the solution I would have picked but I think the reasoning is obvious: horde have significantly higher queue times than alliance for the same content and thus itā€™s ā€œunfairā€.

Dual spec benefits everyone regardless of faction or spec or class. Itā€™s just a straight boon to every player that is completely unnecessary.

My logic is that Blizzard should make small changes but not deviate from the core design philosophy of this iteration of the game ahead of time. You want them to iron out all the implications of TBCs design philosophy - that is a root and branch approach to change which will inevitably lead us to a piecemealed accelerated push toward WoTLK.

Adding dual spec moves us away from the core design of class niches and towards the WoTLK design model of ā€œbring the player not the classā€. Both have pros and cons - let them play themselves out. Thatā€™s the point of a classic experience.

All design choices have tradeoffs. Thereā€™s no perfect game design. If you want a continually improved game go for a new title with new content. TBC classic should be in maintenance mode, itā€™s a museum piece. Clean-up some bugs and glaring imbalances, but keep the design choices in tact.