Pulls out Old Lady Glasses to read
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That might be for the best if things continue like this. TV shows are rarely good again after they jump the shark. I’m afraid WoW has become like when Michael Scott left Dunder Mifflin.
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9.0 is already superior to patch 7.0-7.1, 8.x, 5.0
Complaining is in our culture.
WoW is struggling at the moment, FF is surging.
So… many wow players went to FF and like it a lot (myself included) but still kind of sort of live in both worlds.
Internet streamers of WoW content are covering this, and the Actiblizzion fanboys are all “NOOOOO WOW IS NUMBER 1 FOREVER!” and the rest of the playerbase is either “IDC, please stop bringing it up” or “Yeah, Blizzard had best get their shirt together.”
And either of these stances greatly infuriates the Actiblizzion fanboys, and so the cycle repeats.
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I’ve said this a good handful of times, so I’ll say it here too:
Consider that WoW has more or less been developed in sets of 3.
Vanilla - TBC - WotLK. Yes, changes were made over time, but the core design philosophy feels like it was mostly the same for all 3. The biggest deviation was probably just badge gear.
Cata - MoP - WoD. Cata revamped a whole lot of stuff, and MoP and WoD basically just followed the same structure. WoD was… barebones, but still fits the bill.
Legion - BfA - Shadowlands are all very clearly parts of a third set. The whole “borrowed power” philosophy is probably the biggest distinguishing mark.
Point being, if your issue is with the designs that started in Legion, there’s a fair chance that we’re at the end of a set and will see a shift in design philosophy for 10.0.
I give the game at least until then before I’ll write it off.
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No.
They’re going to double down on the competitive aspects of the game as a niche, while trying to milk that portion of the playerbase financially. (PvP boosting rofl. I’ve given up.) They won’t change what they’re doing, and they haven’t each time there’s a a major issue, because they don’t feel there’s a problem at all, and by the time the issues fester, it’s too late. (Faction imbalance, holy hell.)
Also, people talking about Final Fantasy not surpassing anything needs to just go log into that game and walk into one of the 3 major base cities. They’re all packed. Even Moon Guard is feeling sparse these days on Alliance, and people shove into just one city here - and I’m comparing this to the RP servers on FF as well. The population dip is very noticeable to the point it’s upsetting seeing almost everybody in these circles leave.
If even just social media metrics are higher, that is a concern, and frankly, a lot of the social media interaction I see about WoW is also extremely negative.
Blizzard needs to step up to the plate and go back to treating the game like an RPG, and actually give us basic RPG features to get these players - who are usually whales - back. But they won’t, because AWC needs viewers or something.
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IDK about a rule of 3.
I kind of consider it:
Vanilla TBC WOTLK: The Golden Age
Cata Mop: The Silver Age
WoD, Legion, BFA, SL: The Dark Age
I can see why you delineated it how you did though, and it makes a lot of sense to me too.
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FWIW, I’m not even saying I expect 10.0 to be ‘better’.
Just that I think there’s a good chance for it to be ‘different’.
I kind of expect them to do what they always do: Double down on exactly what the playerbase says they hate, and monetize the ways to boost your way past them.
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You’re not getting it. The team on hands now is wholly incapable of repeating the past success of the game. It’s why D3 took down the entire team. That’s the natural conclusion of it. You’re not going to get the same people who made Shadowlands to make the next Wrath.
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No because Final Fantasy has not surpassed WoW.
I do. The 2 main things I do in the game is farming previous expac raids and BG’s. For those 2 there’s been a massive difference. In BFA it took minutes to get a norm/heroic/mythic raid going for a Legion raid. Now you’re lucky to get a mythic off the ground if at all. As for BGs, queues are taking upward of 45-90min to pop now.
So I’ve definitely felt the sub loss.
A Final Fantasy fan site posted stats from a site with a misleading clickbait title. Same site actually shows WoW at #1 with FF at #4. And WoW Classic at #5. It also shows Shadowlands has the highest baseline player base since the launch of WoD.
So kind of funny these Square interns are coming here to advertise and then say nothing when presented with contrary facts from the site they linked. Lol
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Clearly nothing is wrong because one article was linked with data that may be less than 100% accurate.
Hey Fenny, can you send that to all my friends in FF14 to see if they will come back to WoW? So far doubling down on Maw and Torghast in a patch that will maybe probably be out soon doesn’t seem to be doing it for them.
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So the stats in WoW’s favor are false, but the stats in FF’s favor are obviously true.
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There is no accurate data for either side and who cares anyway?
Nope, but my WoW friend list is pretty much empty, and there’s a que to log into the limsa lominsa sprout party. Anecdotal, but enough symptoms let you diagnose…
WoW’s at the top, for a bit longer probably, and FF is climbing up that hill faster and faster.
I’m guessing the actual tip will happen in November when Endwalker comes out, and the Fanboys will deny it until WoW becomes another FTP gatcha.
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Have you ever even watched an anime? Its visuals have more in common with Zelda than with any anime. You’re just parroting ignorant nonsense that was spouted by a content creator who was every bit as clueless about anime as you seem to be.
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That’s because the game doesn’t rush you through the story in under a week like WoW does. I’ve been playing every day for months leveling all the jobs together, and I’m still only in my 60s. It’s refreshing to play a game that’s not overtly funneling its players straight into raids and M+ content.
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Don’t be silly. If YOU think it’s terrible, YOU will think any future thing they do is terrible.
Meanwhile, tens of thousands of people DO NOT think it’s terrible.