You are one of the few who see it that way.
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Having spoken with Teriz multiple times in multiple class threads, this is exactly what his issue is. He will shift goalposts and claim that one thing counts and another doesn’t only to support the idea that no other class but Tinkerer is valid based on his own arbitrary requirements.
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Trust me, Blizzard sees it that way as well.
It is very obvious.
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I can assure you that even if the Tinker class was currently available, I’d still say that a Witch class is completely inviable for a host of reasons.
I have seen this also…
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Yes, agreed! A Plate, two Leather, and one Mail… the next class should wear Cloth!
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Not a Shaman main, but it’s definitely one of my favorites. Absolutely love Shaman for what it is, but it portrays a different archetype with its elemental magic focus than what a Witch Doctor would.
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Not quite. They don’t serve elementals, they bargain with them. It’s a two-way partnership. This is why Goblins can be shamans.
Kind of splitting hairs.
TL;DR is the Elements can just take away your powers.
A Mage doesn’t just forget how to cast Fireball. A Warrior doesn’t wake up 200lbs lighter of muscle mass. A Hunter doesn’t forget how to aim.
But a Shaman?
Well you do something naughty and now your Lighting Bolts is nothing stronger than the static of a balloon.
Elementals can take the Shamans power away at any time though. I would say that the elementals hold more power in the relationship. Plus Goblin Shamans are abominations.
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Personally can’t stand Goblin Shamans.
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Most races do serve them. Goblins make contracts, or bargain with them.
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Yes that is the silly justification added in Cata. The only way to make Goblin Shamans make sense.
What about the other side of Drust magic which did not pursue the druidic Thonspeakers? Drust who were originally a population of vrykul where I guess they were something like Deathbinder Hroth found in Ardenweald. That could be a class which uses death magic and uses sacrificial magic to summon manipulative faeries.
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Is not so much taking away your powers, but no longer permitting you to channel theirs.
There are numerous examples of other power sources ‘going away’ as well. Anduin prominently lost his connection to the Light after the events in the Shadowlands. Sylvannas lost her access to the power being lent to her by the Jailer.
Same with warlock patrons in D&D - but Elementals aren’t ‘human’, their wants are different than ours, and while they hold the source of power as long as the Shaman isn’t going against their desires they seem largely ok with letting them use them as they wish.
It’s been a while since I did the shaman class quests, but I seem to recall the interaction being far less subservient and more “Hey, lend me your power so I can do things.” “Ok, just don’t do stuff that hurts me.”
Again, “Drust Magic” is kind of a nonsense concept in terms of the overall lore. Let’s just call a spade, a spade and call it what it is: the magic of Death and Decay. Currently the only class that has access to that is the Death Knight, especially in the necromancer-themed Unholy tree.
That could work, I’m all for a class that uses that school of what is largely ‘evil’ magic that does it in unique ways. I don’t think what was described in this thread original fits that bill, but there is certainly some design space to carve out.
Shamanism is a profound spiritual practice of elemental magic that fosters a deep connection with both natural and elemental spirits. Shamans typically do not dominate elementals; instead, they respect and request the elements’ cooperation. As a result, a shaman’s power is granted, not seized. Shamans are not naturally endowed with magic; they channel the forces of the elements through sacred totems in ceremonial rites. Unlike warlocks, who wield the fel through their spells, shamans call upon the powers of the elements, working with those who answer their call, fully aware that the power they receive is borrowed, never owned. Goblin shamans control the Elements for profit. This is why many Shaman players do not like them. It is not a respectful relationship.
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There is always a cost for this type of behaviour! BEWARE THE CONSEQUENCES!
…for the alliance.
I don’t like Goblins that much. You can have them.
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Thank you for restating what I said.