Being labeled a ninja was WAY more severe than people are giving it credit for being. Guild tags were important, and rep on the server was important. If you didn’t care about it, word would get around. Ninjas may not see justice immediately, but it will eventually catch up to them.
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No, I’ll just put your name out there and people who don’t want to deal with that won’t do stuff with you.
If there are more people like me, you’re screwed.
If there are more people like you, it won’t matter.
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That’s another thing. If you ninja while wearing a guild tag, the guild would immediately be tarnished and word will spread much more quickly about “ninja guilds” than individual players.
I doubt many large or high profile guilds would waste time before booting such an idiot.
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I agree with you. Stating upfront that you want things that way is a perfectly legitimate way of doing that. That’s not what I’m making a statement against. You understand the norm and are being upfront about non-normative expectations and gathering compliance.
What I’m against is suggesting that Greed is the norm, and not saying anything and operating under the assumption that you can do whatever you want without consequence. The real problem will be people that are quiet about expectation, intentionally, to lure the group into a false sense of security, and then unleashing their abnormal loot expectations when it’s most opportunistic for them.
Those people will earn the appropriate reputation, quickly.
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I agree with you 100%, but I have had quite a few people in these threads basically imply that I am a ninja and tell me I’ll be blacklisted for what I consider to be completely respectable behavior. So if you are not one of those people, my post isn’t really aimed at you 
Again, changes to fit your preferences led us all to BFA. Loot trading, layering etc are to make it easier for BLIZZARD and their systems. To be more hands off with tickets
Again I don’t need the lesser mob. I have my guild and we will never need anything or anyone outside of it. We will roll on boes if it’s a pug and won’t care what anyone says
No, your behavior is perfectly acceptable. You’re actively seeking out consent. As long as you adhere to your principals, I’d gladly run with you any day of the week.
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You should ALWAYS ask the group for permission before needing a BoE. If you do need a BoE that’s not a direct benefit to your class, expect to have burned the bridge with that group. Some items are obvious too. If anyone ever needs a shadow fang, they’re are a thief and should be treated as such.
As I suspected, it seems you are only “no changes” when it is convenient for you.
BTW, Blizzard likely changed need rolls to bind the item.to the winner to make it easier for them with regards to CS tickets and people complaint about being called out for ninja’ing.
Remove a major incentive to ninja and the incidents of ninja’ing decrease, resulting in fewer tickets.
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Agreed, but the more I think about it, the more I think it won’t be necessary. The community is going sh!t on ninjas and we have significantly better ways of getting the word out. Community is going to be a major part of the game, again.
Well, physical damage classes would be wise to spend gold on weapons if their weapon is considerably outdated as it helps a lot when leveling.
As a general rule I would say as a physical class, if your weapon is more than 10 levels old, it’s time to replace it even if it will mean going to the AH.
Of course there are general exceptions, if you have a blue weapon it lasts a little longer.
And then for any gear, if it’s 20+ levels old, it’s time to look at getting it replaced.
Spending gold on gear every few levels is foolish, but at a point the gold spent will be worth the benifit it offers to your leveling speed capabilities.
But you can’t ninja a BoE so your point is moot
not going to worry about this until i lose a roll on an upgrade to someone who cant even use it
if i lose a roll to someone who can at least use it, im not going to check closely enough to know what they do with it
And again you misrepresent what people are saying.
If the group establishes loot rules and all are in agreement that BOE’s are need tollks, then there is no ninja.
However, if the group does not establish loot rules before the run and Johnny rolls need for an item he intends to sell, then Johnny is a ninja, IMO.
As you said, context is important.
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Your error is expecting everyone to follow your rules in this game
Then explain why Blizzard made the change to ensure that a NEED roll would bind the item to the winner.
It is possible to ninja a BOE, no matter how often Johnny tries to convince himself that what he is doing is not ninja’ing.
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But it’s ok for you to expect everyone to follow your rules?
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I don’t mean to misrepresent anyone, so I’ll just quote from my later post.
There are a number of perfectly reasonable people discussing this topic, but also quite a few people who are not. My position is most of this loot drama can be avoided by communicating loot rules, especially if they are non-standard, at the beginning of runs. Assuming that everyone will handle loot in one universal way and not bothering to clarify is a great way to have loot drama where there doesn’t need to be any.
Then there are the people who agree to one thing and do another for their own benefit. Or people that intend non-standard loot rolls and intentionally don’t mention them to the group. THOSE are ninja looters.
I had to go back and read ALL of your replies before posting a reply to your ignorance.
I played WoW Off and On since Closed Beta in 2004 and beyond.
I’ll just get to the TLDR version…
You and your Guild will NOT Ninja Loot/ Roll Need to your hearts content against other Players because it will make your guild FAIL.
Rep does matter in Classic and if you think you will Need(Ninja) non-stop, you will get a reality Check that will make you cry.
- Sure you can Need (Ninja) at the beginning, but once you and your Guild are well known, no one will deal with you nor your guild.
- You say your Guild is all you need…well let’s go to the most important point…
3. Your Guild and it’s members will not be on at all times when you need them to do stuff and doing anything outside of your Guild specifically will cease to exist!
There will be times when you log on and your Guild mates will not be on. What will you do then? The rest of the server will have nothing to do with you! LOL
I have seen it first hand during Vanilla. Guilds with people like you FAILED very hard. People quit the Game because the Server shunned them.
If you think you are safe behind a Guild name because you think you are good, you are in for a Rude Awakening.
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