The problem I’m having is that I can’t find anyone to play RBGS or arenas. Why would anyone when they can choose a warrior, mage, shadow priest or a BM hunter for example?
So it’s not as simple as just keep trying. After hours of been rejected from every yolo Arena/RBG you start realizing that outside of paying for a carry you have no options. And even farming the very slow conquest from regular BGs you won’t ever get to upgrade your gear.
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Bc a lot of comps don’t always run those classes… Splay works for all 3 lock specs.
Work your way up… find a rdruid for 2s… make friends…find a spriest… boom you got splay…go forth.
Class is strong enough to dispel the notions of not being able bc u chose “warlock”
I’m telling you, every resto druid prefers to run jungle. Far better chances.
If you know anyone that’s willing to play, please let me know.
I have joined dozens of “pvp groups” and nobody replies. After 2 or 3 hours of completing the korthia dailies and bonus BGS, I just log.
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That’s more based on the simple fact that no one in World of Warcraft is PVPing period. Its not a warlock specific issue or viability issue. The last stats were like less then 9% of the player base have competed in a single rated arena of any bracket.
Pops dwindling due to poor choices by blizz and hopefully that pickup happens a bit in 9.1.5 but you not finding a grps not a lock issue anymore then a pop issue.
If we wanna say there’s 10 pvpers obviously they won’t pick lock blah blah… at that point they look at comp viability with classes available and splay with all 3 specs is a strong comp in overall meta.
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Yep, you nailed that one. The gearing system and gold carries have destroyed pvp for the casual player.
Beign a warlock just makes it worse though.
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Not gold carries
Carries were a symptom of the gearing issues mixed with token pay to win combined with welfare gladiator robbing % glads of any reason to push R1 after the MMR deflation mid season…again blizzards fine work.
You gave high skill pvpers nothing to do after account wide welfare glad and then had a buncha idiots throwing store-bought gold at them… what do you expect to happen.
Well, before I start complaining I should say my main is a warlock and I play both demo and destro.
AOTC and 3/10M.
close to 250ilvl.
I think blizzard has no love for warlocks this patch and no matter how much effort you put in to excel in your gameplay it cannot be compared to other classes.
I saw some people say demo is really good which is a fact right now but let me tell you about demo.
you need PI for demo to be really good otherwise its not really good.
mechanics can easily destroy you and believe me when I say I really try timing everything with mechanics but some you just cant predicts.
I give you some situations which can be really problematic for demo and has happened to me.
- you go for your starter on the eye of the jailor and just before the cast of the tyrant, the eye cast a swirly on you which you dodge and then instantly cast the chains swirly on you.
-you go for starter on Painsmith and the boss cast chain on you, you can avoid it with circle but happened to me one time that it also casted traps on me after it.
-you go for starter in the 9 and it cast fragment of destiny on you exactly when you are summoning tyrant.
and I dont even want to talk to talk about mythic Nerzul which in my opinion is the worst boss fight for demo/destro in SOD.
but my real complains are about destro.
man that spec needs help.
I am not talking about assasination rogues or balanced druids or even shadow priest that sim about 12K right now but even compared to hunters destro really sucks at dps…
the best destros I am seeing(254 ilvl) have sim like10.6K.
yeah I know destro best at 2 target dps but its funny how its not possible to even do that.
this spec needs some help like a proc or something to be able to do chaos bolt instantly.
on mythic nerzul for example I cant even find the chance to cleave orbs, they die too fast.
even with havocing them way behind the suffering, casting chaos bolt early to hit them as soon as they are hit with the suffering I cant do more than one chaos bolt. And I am not even talking about the chance that the tank miss that one you put havoc on which happens sometime and is a waste of havoc.
I have 32% haste right now which is quite good as far as I see and chaos bolt cast time is about 2 sec but even 2 sec is too much for mythic raiding.
mobility and cheat death abilities is another problem of warlocks including destro.
many classes have a way of cheating or have high mobility yet warlocks have none.
you can choose to play night fae but thats a 1 min cd and your only option.
yeah circle and gate is available but gate put a debuff on you for too long and circle has a 30sec cd and fixed point which is not always available to use it on fight like tarragrue or Sylvanas where the battleground is so vast.
mages has cheat death, hunters have it, pallies have it.
other classes have high mobility like warriors, dhs, druids.
destro really needs some attention from developers. I am the kind of guy who like fire,explosions etc, and I really like infernal since Warcraft 3 when I used to play warcraft professionally in my country’s national team, but destro is really not doing it.
a 243 beast mastery hunter deals more dps than a 250 destro even with cleave on the 9.
a fire mage deals more damage in the opener on 9 even with cleave of destro and fire mages cd only 72 sec while destro cd 3 min…
I used to be among top 5 dps in my guild early in the patch but it seems destro really doesnt thrive with secondary stats…
other specs really get bigger when their secondary stats increase but its not happening to destro and eventhough now I am almost top ilvl in the guild when it comes to dps in the raid I am like 7 or 8 and when I see the dps chart I am not even dealing a low dps it just other classes like havoc dhs, assasination rogues, balanced druid and arcane mages dealing really high dps.
I have fire mage and although its not the best spec for mage this patch but for a 221 fire mage its really doing high dps and everything works really well and smooth together.
on demand dps, 72 sec cd, blink, shiled, cheat death and not to mention the benefit of lust which is a demand for mythic+.
warlocks need some help especially destro…
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Actually it is now that they fixed the skb leggo
But honestly you’re comparing Bm which has natural cleave to Destro which has havoc windows and fire mages. It shows you don’t know much about other classes.
I understand a lot of where you’re coming from but some of the arguments are blatantly overlooking power in other ways.
Sure Destro doesn’t have a cheat death, but with Demon Skin and the Destro mastery DR, Destro lock has the best rot damage protection in the game for DPS classes. If you don’t want more rot protection and want to shift some of that power into on-demand, Dark Pact’s absorb shield is huge.
Destro certainly could use some single target buffs and some QoL improvements but I don’t think it’s nearly as bad as you’re making it out to be.
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I am comparing the ilvl between BM hunter which has cleave and destro that has cleave which are somehow similar, and good for you bro that know about all other classes,
but it seems you missed the whole point of my comment that was destro needs some buffs not other classes.
Ilvl isn’t everything. You’re comparing BM hunters that have consistently natural pet cleave to Destro having cleave windows with havoc on top of the fact that the nine is only a two target fight for maybe a third of the fight.
Tldr Destro isn’t as bad as you’re saying it is.
well for now nobody gets the demon skin, its either the death pact or burning rush.
the burning rush obviously doesnt provide protection and death pact is based on your current hp which in the moment of need when hp is low is not good.
I am sure you know in mythic raiding there are times you need to do a swirly or a mechanic alone to help your team.
like the swirly on the 9 which hunters,pallies and mages do alone or in KT final phase.
I am not sure if you get what I mean bro, cheat death is not for when you are losing hp rapidly but is for moments when you might get one shot.
for those moment there is not a mechanic and I am sure bro if I got to 250ilvl I might know a thing or two about warlock and not miss the demon skin talent.
its not useful only for fight when there is constant damage, you dont want to get it on mythic nerzul or painsmith or guardian which have blast moments.
This is not going to end well for you 
fight tuning/strategy doesnt really lend itself to destro this tier IMO. initially we thought it would - but the 9 became a ST fight for 80% of it, Painsmith youre cleaving the balls but with more gear they die insta, nerzhul actually was a fantastic destro fight until they nerfed the orb HP by like 70% in week 2. my first kill of it you were getting full havoc windows on orbs pre-nerf and it felt wonderful as destro. soulrender you want ST cuz monks/shamans/arms are blowing up adds, so you go demo. you can play destro on eye, KT, and maybe fatescribe.
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you are right bro I am not gonna argue with you, you obviously arent after the point of my comment but after finding some other arguement. If you play destro on the high end material you know what I am talking about.
I am doing 17K-20K on the starter on the 9 with havoc and a mage does more with combustion(23K). yeah all classes have different mechanics and instruments to deal dmg but at the end they are compared for the dps and destro is not even competitive now.
thats the point of my argument. and the 9 is a fight that destro is good thats why I suggested that.
I agree but you know there some specs you like more and thats sad, thats what I am saying.
I am doing demo for the moment. no way destro doing good except on KT or 9.
if your opener on 2T as destro is only 17-20k at 250 then you are doing something wrong.
also yes - on average demo will likely beat out destro on most fights atm due to strat+tuning
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How is a fight thats 80% single target good for Destro?
depends on how long you define opener but, ok bro.
What’s your warlocks name?