That isn’t my point. My point is that Jaina assumed no one would attack her military fortress because she housed civilians.
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She has NEVER been neutral. Dude I have been saying it for years. Jaina was Alliance/Theramore was not neutral
The Horde attacked her allies first. Its called an ALLIANCE for a reason.
Then I guess Garrosh was manipulating the civilians of Ogrimmar because they are the only reason Jaina ultimately changed her mind.
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Since everyone points to the official definition of genocide, when discussing the burning of Teldrassil, all ethnic cleansing is an act genocide and therefore the purge was genocide.
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I agree with this, however, I am curious if Blizzard changed the scenario for MoP Remix or if it was always like this.
Because I have always seen people saying Jaina did the purge etc etc. But when I did it for the time during MoP Remix to me it was Vereesa who was basically doing the purging, and she was JUST WAITING FOR THE OPPORTUNITY. She was bloodthirsty and she was the one that sent you out to kill people while the Silver Covenant did the same thing. Jaina was just walking around with her Water Elemental and it looked like she was teleporting people away.
So yeah, I don’t get why people blame Jaina for the Purge of Dalaran when to me it looked like Vereesa was the biggest advocate for kill them all.
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I think this was the part that might have been changed. It’s been a long time since I did the Horde-side, but I vaguely recall that in the original Jaina executed people with Frostbolts instead of teleporting them. I could be misremembering, though, as it was like 10 years ago.
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Jaina was giving the orders.
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There’s videos of her killing folks on youtube
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Remember, according to a certain someone who posts here frequently, those were just gentle caresses with a Overly friendly and benign fireball to the face 
But yeah, there are videos of killing people with fireballs.
His story had ended at Icecrown. What you’re referencing is an epilogue.
I’ve heard a lot of people insisting that her attacking instead of teleporting was a bug, but if you look at any of the NPC interactions/dialogue surrounding the event, that makes zero sense.
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There’s never been an official source
Blizzard really needs to stop with these half-asked ‘redemption arcs’ that never really are. Illidan was always a bad dude and nothing he did or said in Legion did anything to absolve him of that. Sylvanas was an even worse dude and there is truly nothing that could ‘redeem’ her actions.
Blizzard and their players need to learn that it’s ok for a character to just be a villain. Genocidal maniacs neither need nor deserve ‘redemption.’ They deserve consequences for their actions to keep the story from wandering down the pitch black road of fascist apologetics.
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This would be such a nice change of pace.
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Sure, just give us some well written character arcs to help it feel justified and don’t drag us players into it. Gets real old being told you are a badperson because of the faction you rolled.
If the Dev’s want their Characters to be the stars of the show that’s fine, but they need to stop pretending player characters have agency.
Couldn’t agree more.
Sadly, I agree with you. The character assassination of Sylvanas is a dark mark on the history of this game… right up there with Garry being allowed to ruin the Found Family that was my Horde… and the further ruining of Orc culture and lore that was WoD.
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If we had actual agency, like how TOR intitially did, than I think more people would be agreeable to the story telling us Hey, you suck for doing such and such. Because at least than you made the choice to do it. Instead of the game FORCING you to do it and then beating you over the head for it.
It’s also why I try my hardest to be understanding when talking about horde issues. Because my FAV FAV race is the worgen, so I know what it’s like to get the short end of the stick story wise a lot.
When blizz cares to remember the worgen exist and are playable that is.
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Totally understandable, game really wants to make you hate the Forsaken and Sylvanas… as a Horde player that starting zone was uncomfortable to play through. Though not as uncomfortable as the Dwarven starting zone…
It would have been nice to at least have let the players know that the Forsaken were being forced into this fight by Garry, who was looking for any excuse to kill anyone who isn’t an Orc.
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Personally, I don’t even really mind this. The notion that my DH was an emotionally vulnerable war refugee who got sucked into a cult as a way to cope with her trauma is kinda compelling. It provides and opportunity for emotional exploration that just being Robin_ Hood#654385767948362 will never be able to touch.
But instead of that we get, “…Illidan was right I guess…,” and it hits like a Whoopee Cushion.
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I’m not going to fault someone for enjoying what’s put on their plate, but I’d rather have options.
Yep, RPing and leaning into the class themes can be fun. I keep trying to play a DH, but I just can’t get into the flow the class uses. Nothing complicated but the Lore is more interesting to me than the class has been.
Lol, welcome to WoW and that’s from an Expansion that is generally well regarded.
When you have a game with two factions…
and both factions are playable…
and neither is designated as “the evil faction” in the game’s marketing…
then it is not, in my humble opinion, okay for the leader of one of those factions to “just be a villain” who “doesn’t deserve redemption.”
And it is definitely not okay to do it to the same faction twice.
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It is kinda sad watching the game retreat further into generic tropes the older it gets. I like classic fantasy just fine, mind you, but Warcraft was over here doing its own fresh thing, and I miss that.
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