Gods….I gotten into so many fights with people over the years about how gilneas went down and how the worgen were never allowed to retaliate for it.
Kinda glad it’s in the past though and the worgen again canonically own gilneas, even if it needs a graphics update/needs to be rebuilt eventually.
Blizz has always been notorious for treating certain races horribly. Like alliance, if you don’t play a human, Kaldorei, or dwarf, you might as well not matter to the dev team.
Just out of curiosity, does this apply to Jaina? Or is this another “Evil Horde, Good Alliance” meme?
The game’s story is rife with what I can only describe as fascist apologetics and I’ve spent far too long wasting energy hoping the writers will course correct. I just can’t bring myself to care anymore.
Good luck caring about the story though. It never got me anywhere, maybe you’ll have better luck.
Sylvanas did more harm to the Horde than she ever did to the Alliance.
Idk why you’re asking if a nelf fan could forgive her when you’re so willing to do it yourself.
But I guess she didn’t kill Lor’themar, Liadrin, or Rommath so who cares.
inb4 giru and warlock guy whose name escapes me
If you’re talking to me, I’m not asking anyone to forgive Sylvanas. I’m pushing back against the idea that it’s okay and even desirable to stick Horde players with the consequences of Afrasiabi’s vendetta.
honestly, knowing that gallywix is a raid boss in the next patch (spoilers for undermined, though i probably don’t need to blur) doesn’t really help this issue. just feels like once again, the horde is getting run over because moral ambiguity is actually pretty difficult for the writing team, even despite the fact that redeeming orcs and zombies, and giving them personality was part of the franchise’s original appeal.
I think the problem is the writing team went so far in the other direction with the horde being evil that they don’t know how to walk that back. If they even can at this point.
It’s something to consider at least
i agree, i just think it’s kinda sh*tty that the horde are ‘villainous’ when there are, like, actual and legit evils both factions are fighting all the time. it seems to me as though the writers haven’t given up on the horde being ‘good’ guys, they’ve just given up on the horde entirely.
ed.: by which i mean that the horde has increasingly diminished presence narratively as time wears on. i wouldn’t be surprised if the entirety of the titanfall trilogy features exclusively elves as the primary horde representation.
The solution is to do what they do with the things the Alliance has done, ignore it?
I mean, they made Sylvanas into a different person and still punished her. Given that they seem OK with Jaina just skipping away with no consequences at all, that would seem too be more than enough.
They just need to include the Horde into the plot in a positive way…
To be fair, what would you consider a fitting punishment for Jaina?
On that note, I think Talanji still has a problem with Jaina.
TL; DR: Take her magic, that’s it.
I think it would be an improvement for her character and honestly I think Jaina would feel relief at it, in some way since most plot always revolve on her power… Also Lady Xal need magic to fix and feed her Dark Heart, Horde have Literally no one even close to that powerful so if not a Horde depowering her at least let it be our beautiful feet goddess! 
As for Talanji following that theme, I would suggest a battle without her powers too to settle their differences in some ritualistic Troll dueling, symbolizing a cleansing or absolution or some theme like that. Let them beat the crap out each other the old fashion way and have them settle their differences while they help each other as traitors of both faction take this opportunity to kill them while they are under this nullifying trial.
No death Just Thrall her up, take away her power… show that she is more than her magic.
That be my solution, although my Alliance friends HATE it, there solution is kill the leader before any depowerment, accountability or guiltriping the Horde has been given with their stories. Preferably a Horde faction leader doing the killing, for more excuses to kill Horde monsters and call it righteous or justice. They like how the Alliance is always the center of the Story and always right (With the exception of some who want things to be shaken and fine it stale and boring). Also yes they are in RPG kinda phycos… real life you never even think they play like that, funny enough. 
NOTE: Although I speculate Xal will do that anyway… maybe show her a vision of Talanji or some other Horde kill her mother to Jaina, that would trigger her to unleash her full power in a all her fury… be drain and Xal mockingly banish telling:"Tks, tks how disappointing, to have such power yet prove so unfit to wield it. It was like watching a child having a tantrum (Echoes of laughter as she leaves Jaina alive and powerless in the floor)
Or a scene more or less dramatic shown to the player to the same effect. (IMO)
All I personally want them to do with Jaina is for her to admit that what she did was a moral wrong and a pledge to do what she could to atone.
I seems to little, and would make her, IMO, more noble character. But Blizzard seems to feel that that is too much and have decided to just pretend it didn’t happen while the Horde greets her a long lost friend.
Doesn’t really need to be her being punished or held accountable for me, I just want the people she wronged to stop pretending she didn’t do anything wrong. Aethas is pathetic, Talanji has been permanently dumpstered apart from an occasional sentence in an out-of-game reference, and the only time we’ve seen a blood elf bring it up he was cast as a maniacal villain.
Gallywix was always a villain though even to the goblin PC. It’s not like you should feel bad about exploding him. He’s the Goblin PCs rival and has been cheating you and trying to kill you off the entire time.
The greater foul is passing you up for promotion to trade Prince.
The BfA encounter between Jaina and a survivor of the Purge of Dalaran was so tone deaf. Jaina acknowledged a quarrel, at least. But after that, no one else does. It is as if Blizzard formed BfA to steam roll over any Horde concerns, while building a Path of Glory with Saurfang for Anduin to March across Orgrimmar.
With that in mind, maybe :
Sylvanas accepted punishment that was rendered to her. I suppose seeing Jaina and Genn stand for punishment and being sentenced by those they wronged.
Saurfang was miffed that Greymane never suffered any consequences for Stormheim- even if he would Makgora the same Warchief. Had the Alliance gave some acknowledgment to their wrong doing, Sylvanas would have less of a basis to get Saurfang to agree to War.
The difference seems that while the others just continue being quest givers - without consequence… Sylvanas stood before judgement and is serving a sentence.
Genuinely what wrong did Genn do? Why is he in the same category as Jaina or Sylvanas?
If you are referring to attacking Sylvanas that is hardly what I would consider wrong when that was just revenge for what she did to his people, kingdom, and son. If you are gonna condemn him for that then you should condemn anyone who wants revenge in WoW like Sylvanas wanting revenge on Arthas.
Other than that Genn has not done anything to the Horde other than SAY they suck and are bad. He has not attacked them, he has not committed genocide against them, or attempted genocide. So what has he done?
Also retroactively, by doing so he denied Sylvanas and thus Zovaal control over Odyns Val’kyr. Although Genn did not know that at the time. When he attacked Sylvanas at the start of the Stormheim leveling campaign, nor when he fought her in Eyir’s throne room.
But on reflection, one could say, the ends justified the means?
What ever you consider…
The narrative states Anduin gave Genn a rebuke…. in private. Genn’s actions at Stormheim were worthy of a rebuke from the High King.
That rebuke was given. The Horde just never heard about it. If that rebuke were more public, Saurfang could have thrown that in the face of Sylvanas.
So there was a rebuke to Genn from the High King - they just decided to keep it private. That played into Sylvanas’s hands.
She merely told the truth about the Alliance, and the Alliance proved her right.
Is he the same level? I wouldn’t say so.
OTOH, starting a war, which gets a lot of uninvolved people killed, to take revenge on one person, isn’t good.
Do so against your orders and in the middle of world threatening crisis makes it worse.
Literally none of that is on Genn. That is ALL Sylvanas because she was working with the Jailer… she did that all of her own free will, and just used what Genn did as an excuse to get Saurfang and the Horde on her side. She quite literally chose to start the war to kill as many people as possible for the Jailer.