Will Sylvanas return help or hurt the game?

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Yes
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If you paint a green smiley face on a wall and give it tusks, Zerde will argue with it.

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Put a horde banner in the corner and he’ll really go all in. :dracthyr_hehe_animated:

So do I. :dracthyr_heart:

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This is true, mostly from the way warbringers was produced and not necessarily as written.

I speculated at the time, that the Mok’Gora cinematic (very likely produced prior to Warbringers: Sylvanas) informed the tone of Warbringers too much. The producers, artists and voice actors/directors likely portrayed Sylvanas as she was at the end of the Mok’Gora, kind of by accident because she was not screaming or unhinged. She wasn’t out of control yet at that point. She was calculated and that was canonically a calculated decision.

If I was trying to guide someone through how to experience the story of BfA, I would come up with some kind of “Machete Order” where they don’t even watch Warbringers: Sylvanas. Just read about it in ELEGY and AGW.

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Given they were pushing Dreadlords so hard, I’m pretty confident they could have kept the same broad stroke storylines in place without sacrificing her on the altar of contrivance. By that, I mean a lot of events (like Teldrassil) happening in a way that implicates her without her actually being responsible. That would even help sell Zovaal as a master manipulator, because every one after her head would leave her with no other option but to take up the Jailer on his offer.

Then we get pie on our face when we find out she was a scapegoat.

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Don’t see that cinematic (which may well have been started before the burning of Teldressil was ploted) saying anything about what you claim. Certainly not enough to contradic the novel.

But again, that Sylvanas doesn’t exist anymore.

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Ogmott’s.
Dream.
Journal.

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It doesn’t, I’m just agreeing that BFA cinematic Sylvanas was not even inhabiting the same reality as actual BFA → SL Sylvanas. Her dialogue in both cinematics are so utterly divorced from anything we did in either expansion, I’m kinda low key convinced Sylvanas had some kind of undead banshee stroke and needed undead banshee medical attention.

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Searches for fan art…

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The trailer screams Metzen’s direct input.
But Metzen didn’t oversee most of wow by that point, or even long before that point.
So, other folks weren’t on the same page, as seen in OGMOTT’S. DREAM. JOURNAL.

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Yeah, I heard his last work was done on the legion cinematic trailers but I’d wager they did the BfA cinematics (including breaking the helm at ice crown) as part of that batch because they fit too good.

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He’s openly talked about the BFA trailer being made before the decision to burn the tree was made, and he had left before the tree burning decision had even come up.

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I never really heard much of this sort of discussion after all these years… whether the cinematic was canon….

It sort of seemed like soft canon theatrics - I didn’t take it too seriously but I also didn’t doubt it’s canonicity.

We do see one thing in the cinematic that is mentioned later- we see the moment that Saurfang could kill Anduin, yet he hesitates - that is later described during Anduin and Saurfangs little jail house pillow talk sessions. Where Saurfang says he could have killed Anduin but didn’t because he wanted to lose.

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Thing is that Saurfang fights anduin in the court yard.

He is legendary for soloing groups.

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I don’t think that rules out it being canon, personally. The PC isn’t at the front gates every second, so it could happen while we’re busy doing something else.

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Does the sylvanas from BFA that we experienced strike you to give the singlest duck about the price of sharing this world??

She spent the entirety of the expansion sabotaging the horde.

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Seeing that the scenario completely contradicts the sentiments expressed in the trailer, you would need to be clinically masochistic to try and maintain them both as canon.

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“I prefer to remember the BfA that could have been, not the abomination that it was” - Akama, 2018

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I view that line as a holdover from a previous draft of the story, like Rexxar’s nonsensical bit about how Jaina Proudmoore “went too far, killed too many.”

It doesn’t mean the events of the BfA cinematic don’t happen, though.

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