So the grand question is with Wrath on the Horizon and Blizzard being given the golden spatula, will they truly decide to move into cataclysm?
Here is a smaller content creator that’s not based around Drama or tainted with attention. Here is a look at some material he put together and discuss in this forums what you believe or want going forward.
I found the video interesting and felt it was worth talking about with others at the very least.
Me personally? I would love to see Wrath Classic+ formulate into it’s own thing even if it’s just additional PvP & PvE additions like Battlegrounds, Arena,Wpvp objectives, Dungeons & Raids. keeping to the core roots of Wrath and even get lesser known villains etc & hopefully not Cataclysm onward of simplifying Stats, enchants, gems, ability’s, fun etc.
However they can take inspiration from Mist of Pandaria for pvp. They did good in MoP.
There should either be classic+ expansions, or nothing at all. New content built around the classic philosophy. Forced socialization; no LFD, no LFR, no transmog. No stripping of rpg elements out of the game; classes are unique, no homogenization, class quests stay in the game are more are added or built on. No pruning of stats and iconic abilities.
Cataclysm was when the old Azeroth was razed to the ground and ruined and kick started all the elements that make up modern wow that the people who fought for classic hate. (Too be fair, the beginning of the end was wrath, but everything was put on steroids in cataclysm, thankfully steps in the right direction are taken such as removing LFD). Almost nobody other than people who already play retail would be interested in replaying cataclysm.
Also another important thing to remember with each classic server is more of a divide of the community sure it might be a small % but it will absolutely add up later.
Some stayed Vanilla, some will stay Tbc, Wotlk others Retail and so on. I feel Splitting populations is also not good for World of Warcraft as a whole. Since you need people for a MMO to work.
Of course Blizzard should make some sort of Classic+ but it’s a pipe dream.
The team seems incapable of vision or innovation despite them having all the tools at their disposal.
I recognize that Cata isn’t everyone’s favorite expansion, but personally I had a good time so I’ll happily play it, assuming my guild survives.
I think what most people fail to understand about WoW, it’s not necessarily the content that you remember, it’s the good times you had with the people you were playing with at the time.
I haven’t played Retail in a decade and I despise the direction the game has gone, but I’m sure I could still have an awesome time playing it if I found a good group and got invested.
Yes, I’ve been saying it for a while now. The final form of classic servers are progression based SoM type servers that naturally progress from classic to each expansion that came after.
How can you say the beginning of the end was Wrath, when it had the most subs right thru and constant right up until cata, that was the first decline since wows inception, Wrath had its issues (gearscore) but at the end of the day it was also the height and constant even through the first big content drought, Cata was the start of the issues for sure, wrath was the pinnacle, and all they had to do was stick to those. People look at wrath as being too easy, when in fact its because at the end we all out geared it and ran it over and over so you could do it with your eyes closed… I mean look at ho many people have issues in timewalking now lol.
No Wrath was not the beginning of the end, cata was.
I can agree with a lot of what you say, but I have never heard a good argument as to why xmog should not be allowed into the game. Xmog never ruined anything for me and for most ppl it does not either. There is nothing game breaking about grinding for gear sets or cosmetic sets.
Wrath had the most subs, but the overwhelming majority of those subs were off the back of tbc and vanilla. If you look at WoW’s growth over time, it had a huge spike in new subscribers through vanilla and tbc. It had a slight tilt up (relatively speaking) in wrath and then stagnated. The game would only go on to decline shortly after that peak.
Wrath was too easy, even early on the heroics were a joke and required no cc or coordination at all whatsoever. TBC heroics aren’t exactly difficult either, but they require a modicum of brain power to not wipe, which makes them fun. The wrath heroics were a complete snooze fest. I don’t need to explain that naxx was a complete joke. Wrath also suffered 2 garbage raid tiers with both naxx and ToC, and 2 rehashed raids (to be fair naxx was tolerable at the time since almost nobody from vanilla saw it, but onyxia was very questionable).
Cata definitely did more damage to the game than any other expansion that came before it. Personally I blame the needless rebalancing of perfectly working classes and specs that we had at the end of WotLK.
They changed healing because people didn’t like getting burst in pvp and it had a negative effect in PvE. On top of all that they felt the need to restrict talent trees in an attempt to destroy hybrid speccing.
I liked it initially at the time it was released, and it’s not something I hate so vehemently I would quit over it, but there is a social aspect that is lost with it. Having the latest tier set or arena set, or a very rare high value raid drop, loses its prestige when everyone is xmogging over it. You don’t go into a city and immediately see who the great players are, you don’t go up inspecting salivating over gear anymore. Visual progression of gear over an expansion becomes non existent when you just transmog over it.
I understand why some people like it, sometimes the tier sets look dumb or your BIS is a mismatch, but you also lose the above things I mentioned which I value higher.
Yeah I can honestly respect everyone’s opinions on the things that have been stated & can understand value.
For Cata I hated the talent change and death to hybrid regardless of “Meta” Anything that negatively effected stat or character customization (Math redundancy) being removed I despised.
Leveling zones I also disliked minus the bits of wpvp here and there.
I enjoyed Tol Barad, Baradin Hold raid bosses, Wpvp daily hub was also nice for the random stuff you could get like mounts or other basic stuff.
Bastion of Twilight was okay & Firelands was very difficult and it was imo fun but also our guild fell apart from it. Which to me was painful since I was a Officer of at the time. (I did Dragon soul but man did I hate that raid due to “Spine of Deathwing”.
Transmogrification became a thing “Gear” just became irrelevant imo. Since before you would know who the Pvpers or PvErs on your realm just by looking at them and some times being at awe when looking at Heroic Pver’s or Arena players from the top dogs on your server… I miss that as well.
Over all I semi enjoyed Cata but would much prefer wow go a totally different direction but again like what’s been said. They have Cata ready pretty much content wise for a easy release so it’s unlikely.
I just can’t imagine them going all the way in retails steps to Shadowlands Classic…
But we know they will milk the ‘Classic’ expansions bone dry. As stated, its all there, just prep it for Classic and soak.
WoD showed us Multiverses exist, there is no reason they can’t have a team of writers create a better, non-waifu, non-biased storyline with depth. All the maps and models are there, just get the funding to make it go in a different direction.
I would love a new split entirely, but I’m pretty sure the CEOs are mad not everyone is fangirling Retail.
After watching the Asmon and Ion interview I would deftly be happy with a Classic World of Warcraft+ or WOTLKC+
Just for the fact replaying the xpacks over and over will get stale after awhile and would be insane to see a World of Wacraft 2 in a sense. Sort of like what OSRS did due to the decline of RS3.
Xmog is one sub system I like in the game they can remove the pet battle stuff but xmog actually brought a sense of difference to the game because u could run around the cities and not see 20 of a class in the same armor set with xmog.
On retail my hunter still have dragonstalker as his xmog with rhok for his bow.
