I know it really does seem to confuse some people that beating the competition doesn’t mean you’re actually doing a good job yourself, it can just mean your competition really sucks.
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So it’s your opinion that every game produced at the time sucked. Every one can have an opinion but I doubt you’ll fine much agreement with that one.
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There were MMO RPG’s before WoW launched, there were MMO’s released and active during, vanilla, TBC and Wrath.
WoW grew throughout that time and didn’t see a massive drop in subs until Cata when it lost 25% of it’s subs in a less than a yearish, so clearly the issue was not just " comptition from udder gamms"
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During the first year of Cata, Dec 7 2010 to Dec 2011 Cata lost 15% of it’s subs. Since I know you’ve been posting here since at least the beginning of BC classic and the sub numbers have been posted here dozens of times I have to wonder how you got this wrong. Were you just too lazy to look at any one of the dozens of links but decided to spout off anyway with numbers pulled out of your behind? Did you look at them but lacked the intellect to read a graph or do you find calculating percentages beyond your mathematical ability? Did you just decide to lie since the truth didn’t support your argument? What is it, lazy, stupid, or lying?
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While cata did lose 25% of subs not counting the pre-mop subs and it is refreshing to speak with someone who can understand and have a basic understanding of the failures of cata cata did last about year and a few months. dec 2010-sept 2012. I do remember the time of the wow killers, mmos which were wow but didn’t quite have the economy of vanilla, tbc, and wrath, but did have the simplified rpg combat. I think they were big at the peak of wow during mid tbc to icc, but they stopped about mid cata.
But so many idiots keep insisting to use the 10m subs which happened pre mop, or that cata was strong because it only lost 25%, or that the decline in cata was natural or inevitable. I mean when they find cata wanting or bore I wonder what people will do like when some found wow vanilla and revisited the ironman/hardcore.
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I actually think Cata Classic will be more successful than Wrath. RDF from the start means it’s actually accessible to the masses. They’ll clean up the content droughts.
However, there’s an underlying problem that plagues all of Classic: bots, and Blizzard’s refusal (or incompetence) to deal with them. It’s deflating to see a company not give a &*^% about the game you’re paying to play. Most players see that and are very turned off. Battlegrounds being plagued by literally 50% bots. Bots out in the world 24/7. Flyhacking right in front of your eyes.
I know people love GDKPs, or are indifferent to them, but to the broader audience they just look bad. Players are obviously buying gold and buying gear, which is lame. No one wants to see that endless spam. Mythic dungeons are just toxic gatekeeping.
Long story short…the Classic playerbase has been taken over by tryhard min/max zoomer whales who just want to spend real money, speed their way through all the content. The ‘Spirit of Classic’ is dead.
This debate over Cata is pointless. Do people really think Blizz cares what players want? Cata is being launched to sell Deluxe Editions, boosts, and yet another version of WoW for micro-transactions. Blizz will continue to resell already made expansion to players who bought it once before. It’s a fantastic business model.
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Well written Zaalg
I agree with you cata will be plagued by bots and the difference in rdf and heroic will mean cata will be full of gdkp and carry buyers. And if cata gear will have any sustained value which will mean cata will fail not succeed. Just correcting this and reminding you the weakness of cata will be apparent when ds means cata will not have the staying power of other end game raids. RDF will not be what you say, but will be a ceiling for most.
addendum catas difficulty can be seen most accurately in uldaur. not like the raids in tbc which had great reason to do things asside from top tier raid.
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makes absolutely no sense what you just wrote
why are you even trying at this point
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LOL you arent going to quit
I’m sorry what??
yes Blizzard’s apathy, incompetence & greed are one thing…but I just don’t enjoy engaging with such a negative community, full of gdkp, buying gold, taking try hard sweaty turbo nerds to the next level. People are so impatient with short attention spans that they won’t stay in a group 5 mins to form a raid, and leave after one death, cussing in whisper, it’s ridiculous.
I liked playing with Gen x and boomers on priv servers as people would actually talk on vent, take copious smoke & drink breaks…people were there to have fun & down bosses not flex their insecure egos with parses and logs…
Like someone prophesied years ago, the true WoW killer would be Wow itself (the community) !
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Lmfao wait what? Literally NOBODY says WoD PvP was the best 
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Nobody is going to play Cata Classic.
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The game is dying now, in its previous peak. BLizz is really butchering the re release of classic rushing sod
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Reminds me of the Wall of No posters from years ago.
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I didn’t raid in cata but I remember my pve friends loved it.
I don’t really care for what cata did to the game but the pvp was fun enough, i’m lookign forward to it and doing my best not to lament the 2nd death of my beloved vanilla-tbc-wotlk.
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No idea what that means, but you know I’m right anyway. 
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I already did 
Well, it will be dead and untouched by me if they don’t let me clone my characters to a permanent wrath classic realm. All I have to say.
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