I don’t think the other poster is the best at expressing himself, but everyone should be treated with basic human decency. No one deserves to be treated poorly.
However, there is a reason there’s a saying “Respect is not given; it’s earned.” In that sense, YES, you need to earn my respect. For example, I may treat my boss with all the basic human decencies, but if he’s going to cower, fail at his job, and let his department struggle under his leadership, he’s done nothing to earn my respect. Does he deserve to be sexually harassed? No. Do I hold him in high esteem? Nope.
I actually just looked up the definition of respect, and there are two descriptions for the noun. I believe you’re arguing one and the other poster is more referring to the other. So yes, the poster that says you’re arguing semantics is pretty accurate.
No, they are not the same thing. I don’t go around and just pass out my high esteem for everyone. I treat everyone well, but respect in terms of admiration and esteem is EARNED.
Here is the thing. Snikrot has also only tried to copy and paste the parts of my entire clarification and statement to make his argument look good. He does not admit to the rest of it and tries to induce multiple variables and varieties to try to strengthen his argument when i made a Generalized statement. No where did I say women are lesser or don’t deserve respect. I said that both genders deserve what they earn and know. Both genders need to be treated equally and not based on what their body type is. If you don’t like me advocating for equality for BOTH genders then that’s your issue bud.
Human decency is and should be common sense by now but in a work environment for WORK you have to earn respect no matter what your gender, age, race, whatever is.
If you want to get technical; if we want true equality then shouldn’t all lives matter and not make it based on age, religion, age, gender, and other things?
Just be nice to folks, give the benefit of the doubt and try not to let others down. That’s been my motto for everyone, usually works out. The people who don’t act the same you just cut out of your life as much as you can. Simple.
Here is the problem with Snikrot’s yours and Taivora’s discussion is that important aspects of context is missing. You and Tai are making statements for essentially unconditional respect, that is, the respect all people are due. This is fine and good.
The problem comes down to dynamics and the dynamics between male and female or say, dark skinned and light skinned, is that the conditional respect is loaded and fraught with problems for the ones down the power chain.
Let me give you a real example but more distance from our normal lives. I know a guy, a white guy who is a prison guard. His idea of teaching and showing respect is to open someone’s cell door and challenge them to a fight. He’s proud that he’s so respected they always back down. He’s totally clueless that they are not backing down from a pot bellied white guy but from all the pain that would come from the entire system if the prisoner was stupid enough to hit him.
In office gender and racial politics the same dynamic plays out, albeit more subtlety, I hope. She can’t win. If she tries to play the game at the guy rules she’s in for endless and probably escalating harassment because she’s essentially “asking” for it. If she pushes back and isn’t into playing with the man-children then she’s exclude from the most likely male dominated paths to promotions as some kind of man hater. In this conditional situation there is no path forward for her. While the unconditional respect may be there, the conditional respect that brings inclusion is shut down.
This probably isn’t even a fully conscious thing on the part of the males, but it is very real and the impact in terms of advancement, better assignments and daily stress is very real. This is why language, both spoken and non-verbal become and issue as the group in power is sending out a lot of signals that essentially say, “Our way or the highway.”
Simply stated, keep in mind that not everyone has the same idea of the language of respect and what the “words” really mean to different groups.
I only stepped in because one person was getting slammed for something I felt was being misrepresented and misinterpreted. I made no specific comment about the OP’s post. I don’t care to give my opinion on that matter. I was able to see both sides of that argument and decided to step in to help. That’s all. And ‘respect’ has two different definitions in the dictionary. Both apply.
Do not confuse respect of the person with respect of the position. On more than one occasion over 25 years, I worked for officers who wouldn’t even have made good E-1’s. I respected their position, but had absolutely zero respect for them as persons. There IS a difference … one is inherent with the position, the other has to be earned by word AND deed.
What makes us people is the ability to shut out those things though.
If we were all slaves to our instincts we wouldn’t have progressed far enough to be having this conversation.
The problem is solvable outside of a few edge cases. We’re not there yet, and may well not be in my lifetime. But it is possible. Because we are not animals.
No, WE do not. Speaking for myself, I treat women as I do men, equally worthy of my trust and respect until proven otherwise.
What YOU have, by your own admission as evidenced in using the plural ‘we’, is a toxic attitude towards women. You’re only making a sweeping generalization about men in order to hide your own disgusting attitudes towards women.
I /flirt with my succubus often, she blows me and everyone else who flirts with her kisses and butt spanks and love hearts. I think i know how to treat women thanks. /tipsfedora
balance, respect, coordination, and cooperation, in the end the same continues.
Now she asks for more respect for women, while men remain submissive, over and over again it is hearing the same story that we did to us men, however what they do is the same story and mistreated that we have done in previous centuries showing only his own mindless envy.
I’m not saying that you don’t have to treat them well, there just has to be an equivalence, a coordination that we are all human, or we all have our same rights and duties, as well as differences that must exist such as feminine beauty and its susectivility sometimes or in moments also that I would like his strength and love for the family (THE TRUE FAMILY) without referring once again to the new ideologies that it’s killing or the Toreto meme in anothe case .
As well as a strong and reckless man who protects them with love and willnot violence, it is the true legacy that we have to demonstrate to our children with leadership.
Not another Sylvanas or Abby from the Last of Us 2 who wants to step on the heels of anyone and oppress, humiliate or offend them so that later no effort we make for the good of humanity is worth anything.
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