I’m happy with the night elf stuff. I wouldn’t say no to more hair, jewelry, jewelry colors, and the women need tattoos because for some reason they gender locked them, but I love the nelf model far more than the nightborne player model.
NB still need a lot of work. The stance is awkward looking on them, and making faces that don’t look elderly won’t fix the stance.
What we’ve seen so far is some steps in a better direction, but that’s all.
They’re rhetorical, because the answer’s obvious. It’s the same reason why they decided to make them void elves in the first place, to act as an opposite to the Blood elves and the Sunwell. It’s why they gave the void elves dialogue mocking the Sunwell, and even High elves themselves. It’s why their whole color scheme is such a great contrast to the Blood elves.
Saying they think Silvermoon is their home is indicative of them embracing their past, despite everything I listed is pretty absurd.
There’s no dialogue of them ever embracing the culture of Blood elves and High elves, only lines of them mocking it.
Nice bubble you live in.
Funny, because we never saw any of them throughout BFA, you know, the expansion centered on the faction-conflict. You wanna know the last time we saw a representative of allerian Stronghold? Auric Sunchaser at the Sunwell with the Blood elves, calling Blood elves and High elves collectively the “children of Silvermoon” calling for them to come together and defend the Sunwell. You know, the very thing the Void elves’ mere existence threatens?
And the high elves at Quel’danil took a vow against all forms of magic, and live their lives in isolation in a far away lodge. But yes, I’m sure those High elves would be all too eager to start meddling with Void magic. Do you even have any knowledge of the groups you’re trying to reference to me?
This is what we call “appealing to ignorance” you can’t say the absence of proof, is proof; that doesn’t work. Not only would it make very little sense for a Farstrider to work with the Magisters, the last thing we’d see is them consorting with the Void. Until you have even a single bit of proof that suggests a Farstrider ever joined the Void elves, please don’t speak to me about “deflated arguments” because yours never had any credence in the first place.
Talk about speculation. Any citation to back up any of this fanfiction?
You can be a Blood elf ranger, and not be a farstrider - The Umbral Rangers could literally be any ranger who took interest in the void and accompanied them. There’s no indication at all that any Farstriders ever joined the Void elves.
But you can, of course, prove there were no Farstriders there?
It’s just funny how much you have to HC for your argument to hold any water. The point is that we can’t know, so how can you make the asseveration there wouldn’t be any Farstriders there? Come on.
That is a logical fallacy, it’s not mine or anyone else’s responsibility to give you proof that they don’t exist, when there’s nothing to suggest they ever existed in the first place.
# Appeal to Ignorance
This fallacy occurs when you argue that your conclusion must be true, because there is no evidence against it. This fallacy wrongly shifts the burden of proof away from the one making the claim.
If you’re gonna make a claim, the burden of proof is on you, not others. Anyone can make anything up, but that doesn’t make it true simply because there’s no proof against it. Funny that you’d accuse me of speculation, and yet resort to this sort of logical fallacy to defend yourself.
This is literally what you are doing. YOU are saying there are no Farstriders because there is no evidence against your claim.
So where is your proof that there are NO Farstriders on Umbrics group? Neither of us has any proof, that’s why my point is that you can asseverate one way or another.
You literally are accusing me of using the logical fallacy that your argument is using * facepalm *
You’re the one making the claim that there are Farstriders among the Void elves in the first place?? I asked for a citation (evidence) to prove that claim and your response was that I have no evidence that they didn’t which is a logical fallacy.
Imagine if I said Barny joined the void elves with NO evidence to back it up, and when you asked for a citation I said “You have no evidence that he didn’t!” this is exactly what you’re doing. You can’t just fabricate something up (WITH NO PROOF) and then tell the person asking for proof that they need to give you evidence that it didn’t happen.
The burden of proof is on you (the one claiming something happened, in this example, Farstriders joining the Void elves) I merely asked for evidence. How are you having trouble keeping up with this?
And you made the claim that if Void Elves had rangers in Umbric’s groups, they weren’t Farstriders.
So only your speculation is evidence?
Again, my argument is that you can’t proof either scenario. The Burden of Proof is ON YOU, you are the one trying to prove there are no Farstriders there. I’m saying that we can’t confrim or deny otherwise.
Again, you can’t blame me of the fallacy you are literally making.
You say asking her to prove a negative since you have nothing backing up your claim.
And neither does she… that’s the whole point.
She’s making the claim these are non farstrider rangers based on nothing, not me.
I’m saying we don’t know either way.
Come On
You are the one making the claim that they are, she’s just brought up the valid point that we don’t know that.
She’s literally making the point they aren’t Farstriders.
Literally I am saying we can’t prove it either way.
I’m not making a “claim” there’s literally nothing that says they’re farstriders in the first place, which is the truth.
You’re pulling something out of thin air, and asking me to prove it wrong.
Lol no. It’s the opposite.
I think if they both get ranger looks, just keep them distinct. Even if some void elves were farstriders, they aren’t now. They are no longer blood elves or horde.
Didn’t this all start off with you quibbling about whether BE should get farstrider stuff?
That doesn’t change the fact that there was never any proof that they were Farstriders from the get-go. These are two different arguments.
Why it doesn’t make sense, and whether it ever happened at all.
If you disagree with my line of logic on why it doesn’t make sense, that’s fine, but it’s still your claim, and the burden lies with you to prove it before it even becomes a discussion.
No?
I have no problems with BE getting Farstrider stuff?? My point is that is just weird to claim it is an horde exclusive aesthetic when Alleria herself has the look, there are several high elven farstriders in the alliance, and Umbric either had Farstriders, or Alleria trained them, in which case they would take after her.
If she needs to prove Umbric had no Farstriders, the burden of proof is on her. Otherwise they can or not be such.
I thought you weren’t claiming that?
Given that your whole argument rests on the notion that Void Elves had no Farstriders, how is the burden of proof in me?
Cause I was using the term ranger and farstrider interchangeably, cause usually they are the same thing. Indeed, they could be non farstrider rangers (I guess) but THEN is when neither of us can prove either case?
So how does this help her argument that Void Elves didn’t have Farstriders in their ranks and they were non-Farstrider Rangers?