Linxy, we miss you, sweetie. Come back to us. We won’t hurt you.
In this instance, you’re not debating lore, but falsely claiming that either of these locations bares any similarity to Suramar, which they do not.
The reality that you, and many others would like to ignore is in every sense, the Night Elves of today are completely divorced from their Highborne past.
10,000 years ago. Now it’s the jewel of the Nightborne empire. Tee-hee 
true. still, was built by night elves. hehe
I hate all this elf fighting. I wish factions didn’t exist 
Here’s my Nightborne wishlist:
Who went on to become Nightborne! tee-hee
And you’re ignoring all points of lore ever existing by claiming things that are entirely false. Am I claiming they still live the same way? No. Were they at one point the same people and night elves became nightborne? Yes. Honestly, I do hope Linxy peeks in from time to time. I can still hope for nightborne players to have nice things and not be absolutely crass about the topic.
Honestly though, I’m going to mute these responses because there’s no “good faith” about them, as people tend to request.
I applaud you for still putting up with the many people that grasp at straws because these days they just get added to the ignore pile for me.
Do we really have to act this way? “My friends are always right and can never be wrong.” Please just read the lore. That’s all I ask.
Pretty sure I wasn’t even talking to you so please don’t talk to me unless you want to end up ignored.
You don’t have to be snippy 
They were replying directly to me when they stated this.
It’s dirty work, but someone has to do it.
Also, your Nightborne looks fantastic with the 9.1.5 additions. 
Thanks for that and yeah Nightborne are in a much better place than they were previously but they still have a long way to go to be as good as NPC Nightborne.
I’m still much happier with this character than I was before the patch though so I’ll give Blizzard that much. 
Upon updating my nightborne’s appearance I noticed that most tattoos are barely visible. The luminosity does need to be increased a bit. All races should have multiple eye color options. I also checked all of the faces and most of them have either heavy facial creases, wrinkles and eye bags or all of these together. Most of the hair colors are so light that (At least for me) I can barely tell the difference. The hair texture (though this is actually true for couple of other races) needs work as does the jewelry.
I also updated my void elves and noticed that they only have one page of options to choose from as opposed to the other legion ARs. They should get all the same categories as the other races have at least. I suggest all of you void elf fans really start pushing for more Void options.
I even made a lightforged draenei. God, I love her pink hair and ivory skin, but wished they had darker skin tones, especially onyx to contrast with the beautiful gold accents. They also should have more eye colors than gold and brighter tattoos.
The amount of stuff I want for my Forsaken toons… omg the scary factor potential on them is truly amazing, and just as baffling how the devs basically ignored all the things they could have implemented for them in the core pass.
A link to a thread very much underserving of the ignore it gets from both posters AND devs alike:
I think something like the Night Warrior tattoo effect would be a good option (you see, a slight silvery focus over the regular tattoos of the Nelves).
Which race you meant, NB or Night elves?
Cause I absolutely oppose of glowing hands / hair for Night elves, that´s plain NB stuff and should stay as such. Not even Aszhara (the most Highborne elf to even Highborne) had this effect on her body.
Factions have nothing to do with this. And players have a right to their opinions, even if those aren´t in line with the opinions of other posters. You can rest asured the people I put on my “ignore” pile was put there cause we would have never ever agreed on anything and I just got fed up with their aggravating BS. And I´m absolutely convinced that people that put me on their ignore list had pretty much valid reasons to do so too. And that´s not a big deal.
Sometimes when people can´t get along the best course to take is for them to simply cease any attempt at interactions, no more and no less. And whwn this happens, other people shouldn´t make a ruckus about it as if this was actually relevant for the discussions, period.
Tl;dr: nobody has to be friends with others, the only thing we all must do is to be respectful towards each other, period. And sometimes to get respectful interactions one has to cease them with some posters, no more and no less.
No big deal.
THIS. 100% in agreement with all this.
Stuff like jewerly needs a HUGE color palette for both the metal AND the gems (at the very least Blizz should provide the same 7 base colors we have available on the Jewelcrafting profession ffs) so they don´t end up becoming “wasted assets” because they break tmogs. Eye and hair colors need a ripcord so every race can access any color available, cause after watching Velves effectively emulate the hair colors of Belves to argue hair colors are “part of the race visual identity” is nothing but BS. Scars too should ve available for all races as a toggle cause this is WARcraft and frankly, I think I´m not the only one that desires proof of the many battles my toons have had to fight in almost 2 decades of gameplay and God knows how many of lore.
Factions have everything to do with it. Many of these disagreements probably wouldn’t even exist if factions didn’t exist. The helf/velf vs belf fight has a lot to do with visual distinction which really only matters because factions exist. People really don’t want to share with “the enemy.” Which, yeah, as things are now I actually understand and somewhat agree with, but in the ideal world (or at least mine) there’d be no factions. People wouldn’t have to be fighting all the time about keeping their race unique to their team.
Are you aware most players actually have toons on both factions? “Enemies” are basically nonexistant as far as the actual bulk of the playerbase is concerned.
I repeat: factions have nothing to do with this. The actual disagreement is a quality standards one: people that don´t care over sharing everything and anything -causing yes, the dilution of visual uniqueness- and people that rather get some exclusive stuff so the races keep some modicum of visual differences.
Is not about “sharing with the enemy” is about getting a fair treatment as customers. And expecting Blizzard to fulfill visual aesthetic uniqueness is NOT related to the players on the opposing faction but on Blizzard´s own design trend since forever (you can blame the company for creating such expectative in some of us when they have kept this model since the introduction of every AR race AND the divergence in customization for most core race / AR race pair).
I guess it depends on the player. I been on the forums a long time and participated in many helf vs belf threads. Factions were definitely a motivation for people on both sides. I know for myself they were.
As for how things are now, I still see it. People seem more open to the idea of sharing things within their own faction like HMT/regular tauren and draenie/lfd, but velf/belf and nelf/nb? That just starts a whole ton of arguments.
wonder if theyre gonna ignore this thread and go back to ignore feedback while claiming they listen to women and racial diversity back at HQ
I’d love more eye colors for lfd!
Also nightborne definitely still need work, I agree completely about their faces.
Nightborn, of course.
Don’t think I’ve seen any night elf NPCs with those options-- or even art.
It does.
Also, I don´t think i´ve ever seen Orc players asking for the Mag´har stuff nor vice versa, or regular Tauren players asking for the Moose Tauren options, etc. So obviously you won´t see “disagreements” on those playerbases. they by principle aren´t interested in getting two races cloned for the lols, period.
Heck, both Autai and Averyx were dismayed over LF Draenei not getting legitimate lightforged oriented stuff but just more jewerly like the regular Draenei do. So not even the faction excuse works from that angle, cause we have here players that did NOT like the AR and the core race getting the same stuff.
Ergo, my point. Is not about “Horde vs. Alliance”, is about not getting scammed with copy/pasted races.
The “closest” thing one can see regarding “bright tattoos” on a Night elf proper is Tyrande´s Night Warrior tattoos, but apart from that? Zero. milch. Nada.