Right so old stuff. Not what the current complaints on forums have been about.
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How recent is the stuff you’re bringing up? You mentioned something from the helf discord which you said you left a while ago?
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Some of the stuff in discussion as obvious above is very recent so I’m confused as to why he brought up ancient stuff that per his own words
Like if anyone is bringing up dated stuff?
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I mentioned the harassment stuff because you made a post stating helfers never got harassed, just others had ‘a difference of opinion’.
The revenge stuff I was talking about was what Drede talked about with some people trolling for sanlayn on void elves.
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You’re confused because you’re taking separate stuff I said and acting like I said them together.
The harassment stuff was my reply to Avarie in her post she said that it’s ‘a difference of opinion’ and not harassment, implying Helfers never got harassed. That’s why I brought up dated stuff.
When asking about what she meant by revenge I was wondering if she was talking about what Drede mentioned on the Sanlayn Void Elves thing, not stuff that is in the past and done with, how long ago was the ‘revenge stuff’ that was done outside of these forums? The sanlayn troll revenge is being done on these forums currently.
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Just want to casually remind everyone that when TBC originally released and for the subsequent 11 years until BFA, all Blood Elf Paladins had fel-tainted green eyes (whether they wanted to or not). In case anyone forgot.
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Also to keep bringing up harassment that happened outside of these forums is also dated so it’s weird to try and knock me on ‘bringing in dated stuff’.
Whoever harassed Avarie outside the forums isn’t harassing them anymore. Whoever harassed Lann outside the forums isn’t doing it anymore either.
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As you can see above elaborated on her own current ongoing situation when someone named her because she now is going through it.
That isn’t okay or normal, and I hope it stops, because disagreements on the forums are just that and should stop and end there.
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I never stated helfers never got harassed. I am just stating that disagreeing about elves in a game is not harassment. People showing up in public forums to talk about potential game changes, not harassment.
And the people currently being harassed by helfers had zero to do with the harassment they faced apparently long ago.
And the person who harassed me still uses the forums and seems to have plenty of helfers who don’t care about his conduct outside the forums. Or they think I am a liar.
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This I agree with yet often people bring outside forum harassment here. Just like you’re bringing it up again.
When my main point was helfers did get harassed and to point it out.
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When Blast and Fen were talking about the harassment /revenge cycle that happened with helfers/anti-helfers you then followed up with a post saying “having a difference of opinion is not harassment”.
That’s why I stated helfers did get harassed. That didn’t sound like simply stating ‘disagreeing over elves isn’t harassment’.
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It’s not.
Things from even further back than any of the actual recent stuff Avarie referred to.
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Your obsession with taking out of context posts and chaining them together to form a sentence is weird.
You mean stuff that happened months ago as opposed to years ago? What difference does that make today, is it happening in the last week to you? or her?
Strange to keep bringing up stuff that is done and dealt with while also trying to toot to leave the past in the past.
My point was bringing up when helfer harassment did happen. That’s it.
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You know when you add in a quote is one of the times in the first 5 mins there will apply an edit mark on a post, I’m not sure why but if you just edit your words it takes a while
Like so I added this sentence here, the forums are odd like that I suppose.
Or this additional sentence where I want to say we don’t have enough likes.
But they aren’t currently being harassed, and the people they have been harassing had nothing to do with the harassment they faced long ago?
Heck, helf fans got what they wanted. They don’t need to be harassing people at all, not that they should even if they hadn’t got what they wanted.
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A handful of individuals is not ‘helfers’ as a whole.
Not sure why you keep pointing to a few as the entire group. Like I said I never ever stated ‘anti helfers kept harassing helfers’ when I pointed out the harassment that the helfer group did get.
I stated individuals did x y z harassment stuff.
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Also I just have to say, the effects of harassment, especially targeted harassment, have long term effects on people. The effects don’t stop just because the harassment stopped. Have you been sexually harassed before? Even if it’s on the internet it has an impact on people.
Do you know how paranoid I am about fully engaging with people whose toons I don’t know now on the forums? I don’t know whose alt it could be. Seeing people who I had thought of as friends not believing me has been great too.
Don’t sit there and tell me that just because harassment isn’t happening to someone right this very second it suddenly doesn’t matter. Harassment consisting of stalking people on social media, sexual harassment, and real life name dropping has long term effects on people and quite frankly is scary.
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Then why were you earlier trying to talk down about me bringing up harassment stuff that happened years ago? If those effects can still be felt, it’s similar to what Blast was trying to say, having had to endure it for so long can affect people’s mental health.
To me just stop being flip floppy, all harassment needs to stop for sure but if you’re going to support that message than bringing it up every time too doesn’t help either.
Because then it becomes like right now, just talking about harassment over and over again.
And yes I have been sexually harassed before, for the record.
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You brought up how recent the harassment was first, when the recent harassment we are discussing involves real life info and people specifically being targeted.
Regardless, I know full well where you stand on this.
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No I did not, I brought up stuff that happened to helfers a while ago, then tried to get knocked for bringing in ‘dated stuff’.
Regardless, I know you just want to continue not acknowledging your flip flopping.
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