More like nothing, nothing that Nightborne has or is getting new customization wise is copied/pasted from Night Elves, it’s laughable that someone would try to pretend like it is.
Shen’dralar have been a part of Night Elven society since Cata. Nightborne have existed since Legion. Not like they came first. Blizzard has just ignored them hence the asking for them not to be forgotten this time.
Nor are we actually asking for Nightborne options… we’re asking for Shen’dralar ones. (or at least I am) I’m literally asking for some jewelry utilizing arcane gems and such, maybe some tattoos (though the kind we already have just with more arcane looks to them) green and purple eyes. (the green because they literally sucked on a demon for ten thousand years and also because Malfurion has them, so a two for one. purple cause arcane.) Hairstyles? I don’t see why not but I’m a lot more willing to share hairstyles across all races than most are.
That’d be like the LFD people being taken seriously when they want to fight against minor options being added to blood elves for their light based themes.
Both groups can easily utilize those things without issue.
I don’t really have any issue with any of these but they’re not what I’m necessarily looking for. The skin tones I wouldn’t mind.
What do you mean by this?
Everyone needs makeup. Everyone.
Yeah I don’t have any interest in what the Nightborne have for Night Elves. I want representation of the Shen’dralar that doesn’t mean I want Nightborne to be Alliance.
They make me think of the male Night Elf tattoos honestly. Light purple minimal.
Like I said I didn’t even know she had them till today. lol
This is more or less what I am asking for for the Shen’dralar. I want tattoos options more akin to what we already have but with an arcane magey bent. Angular mathematical designs you know?
I didn’t complain about it. I said I don’t think it fits, because it just doesn’t work lorewise.
You can scream all you want about it but that won’t change.
Giving human models to the forsaken is a different thing. No one is asking for like, the goblin model here. People are asking for customization options to be applied to their playable models.
Comparing “glowing markings” to an entire model is just ridiculous.
Hair colors like black that NB didn’t have that they got before non-DH nelves even got it. Their faces are based on Nelves and well, their entire models. No one complained complained about nelves being copied the way Belves did about Velves. In anything the complaint back then was why the horde got bigger changes but the alliance didn’t.
The markings nelves female already have but colored golden.
What are you looking for?
Hah now that’s a very pink armor. Yeah I’d like that hair.
I mention above, but mostly just jewelry with arcane gems in it, a few eye colors (Green and purple), and some of the current night elf tattoos but with an arcane bent to them.
Nothing much.
Like I don’t want Shen’dralar to be night elf culture by any means. Just a show that they are part of it.
Yeah… I get hair colors to a degree. Blizzard has always had differing hair colors for races, but hairstyles… I don’t think thats a culture thing or at the very least impossible for someone to look at and not recreate realistically.
Hairstyles being shared makes sense to me personally. Color might not in all cases. (until blizzard add in an actual dyeing system.)
I don’t even understand the hair color screaming contest. It makes no sense because WOWWEE we’re in a fantasy world! We have literal shapeshifting potions and potions that make you converse in the native tongue to those you speak with. The only cultural difference needed is in the jewelry. Which is completely new to SLs but it’s a completely welcomed addition to customizations. Would be great if they continued to expand on that.
You my gal aren´t the poster that raised a tantrum over Blood Elf fans asking for red eyes and one whitish skin tone, Averyx on the other hand…
And someone who complained over such things shared in the same faction ffs is the less adequated invididual to mock “Hordies” for wanting “visual uniqueness”, period.
Maybe the lighter skin tone on the NB can be attributed to Nelf inheritance, but the rest of the stuff? Nope unless now to inherit the geometrical DEFECTS of the models is an advantage or something.
This my dear Fen is literally he Night Warrior brand of tattoos, see:
Stuff like that that looks inherently different to NB one is acceptable imho.
With the exception I don´t think any of us Belf regulars have asked to get the same literal Lightforged tattoos of the LF Draenei -frankly I think most of us just want the iconic Belf runic marks of the TBC artbox but available in several colors including yellow to portray “Light”-.
You mean the DARK GREY the NB got?
Would I know, my own rogue uses that color… and that´s certainly NOT Nelf DH brand of black.
Same as High elf stuff didn´t fit the Velf customizations, period.
You too can continue to scream about your double standards, at the end of the day it´s quite irrelevant too.
I tend to see it as they will pretty much try to use anything literally anything to try and get something our races have, which just comes back to I want this but I want it on the blue team not the red team.
No. Some of you 100% deserve to be mocked for the clear hostilities you show just because someone on the blue faction points out how awful ARs treated every base race.
And no, if a Blood Elf poster walked up in this thread today asking for Light tattoos, you wanna know how much of a frick i’ll give?
I think it’s a touchy subject that Horde players understandably are defensive of their themes on their races.
Regardless if it’s in the races story already or not, because we’ve seen (and you know this isn’t my favorite route but I’m not against it) LFD fans greatly oppose any light additions to BEs on the basis of it being their theme.
Weve seen BEs visually be copied to allow an AR two visual themes. And neither our AR parallel (NB) nor BEs have seen returns in terms of anything copied from Alliance to that impactful scale if at all in some cases.
So I support Horde players being defensive of options that thematically take away from a Horde race with either the exact model or similar.
I hate that the ponytails are so bad in WoW. Nelves need a high ponytail like the wardens too.
Yeah people don’t really want much to this. So I don’t get why some are making it to be a problem.
Specially when Shren’Dralar came first.
I think a lot should be shared and a lot should be unique, if only because it makes sense humans wouldn’t use like bones and stuff. Or draenei having unique hair due their horns that wouldn’t work for hornless-races.
Well, Blizz disagreed
What’s funny is that alliance players could’ve complained Belves got dark skin tones because that was promoted as a special human thing , yet no one gave a crap. But Belves kick and scream about everything.
Well Moon, tattoos done the way Fen explains -something waaay closer to the Night Warrior" designs- are fine. They are NOT NB assets, not they infringe on the NB visual identity.
Also /lol at people complaining over other people wanting visual identity… if “visual identity” is NOT important, then ALL KINDS OF CUSTOMIZATIONS are meaningless, simply because in such case how any toon looks is not important at all, period.
Excuse me, but I never saw any of you saying anything when the Velves literally hijacked the Belf aesthetics. You people shined for your absence.
And the way I see it, one either admits AR infringed on the core races for ALL cases of study or not, not merely complains over some races while pretending nothing happens with the others at convenience. Cause I don´t buy BS arguments done to complain over races A and B because they casually belong to one faction while the same individual says nothing regarding C and D that belongs to the other faction.
Btw, judging a whole fanbase over the bad behaviour of some individuals is called “prejudice”. And that{s anything but cool, period. Do not pretend to keep some moral high ground if you haven´t even realized this BASIC notion.
Except I have always been against Void Elves in the most general of sense and yes I even was against HE inclusion even though I ultimately accepted that it was clearly an option on the table due to the devleopers implementation of the race.
We’re not a freaking echo chamber and we can’t all be in the same threads crying and moaning about EVERYTHING. I started muting literally anything that has to do with BE/HE because of how obnoxious the entire thing was.
I just find it hilarious that you want to try and discount my grievances with the LFD sniping options from the Draenei because it doesn’t suite YOUR own argument. I couldn’t give a frick about the Alliance. The Alliance in this game could die the next day and I wouldn’t’ give two fricks. You know what I care about in this game? The Draenei. So for you to try and wipe my annoyances because the race that I have an issue with is on my own faction is absolutely hilarious.
Cool then do better and call out your own circlejerkers on trying to bundle Alliance players in together and also trying to stop them from being part of the discussion.
True. Remember when Ion said that Blood Elves will not be recieving blue eyes as Blood Elves have evolved passed Blue Eyes. Oh, the kicking and screaming for the Blood Elf players when that happened.
Its just been a specific thing to differ races over time. Few races share hair colors despite dye being a likely normal thing.
To me that suggest blizzard wants that tiny bit of delineation for the most part.
That said all things considered I would support a dye system for hair color. Though I think its likely that blizzard either can’t implement it because of their code or doesn’t want to go through the effort that it would require.
Besides… some differentiation is good I think.
I assure you I know the night warrior tattoos. Though I don’t think they’re what I’d want for Shen’dralar… though I do want them too. lol
But with a look to them that would suggest arcane. Angular, and arcaney.
Like I said I’m not actually looking for a lot for Shen’dralar.
That is true and is also part of my point.
They can exist together without being the same.
Shen’dralar should not be the same as Nightborne. But we should get options to represent the Shen’dralar.
Probably as Lann says above…
This is not an uncommon viewpoint and to a degree I think its very valid.
Its the people who kick Shen’darlar options out altogether that I tend to have an issue with. Like I said I’m not asking for much and I’m definitely not asking for Nightborne options to be given to Night Elves.
There are indeed some things that cannot be shared where it makes sense. Even among hairstyles.