I haven’t played Hunter since vanilla, but from a very casual glance, the current state of the hunter (including survival) is nothing compared the Hunter of vanilla in terms of fun. I would argue the class felt bogged down by a lot of mechanics like needing ammo and feeding your pet to keep it happy, but that class had a lot of stuff going on back in the day. I found that to be fun. It was fun being an engineer and making your own ammo. It was fun hunting for pets. It was fun pulling off crazy solos against elites. The current state of the hunter just doesn’t feel fun. They don’t have memorable experiences. Pretty sure they also have the worst transmogs too, so you can’t even look cool.
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I listed the abilities that made RSV unique…What you listed MM either has or has had as talents and do not define RSV in any way whatsoever.
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I found that to be incredibly frustrating and boring. And I find hunter to be very fun right now. I think we need some updated animations and dual wield on survival with some talent re-balancing and i’d be happy. No, auto-attacking in vanilla was not fun. Riddling people with a billion arrows with a double-tapped rapid fire is.
I think that because MM and BM are so wildly different, I know I miss RSV because it seemed like the middle ground between the two. I never really enjoyed MM, and I didn’t get into BM until they took surv away.
I just want to be range with a pet but I’d prefer the pet to not be 90% of my dps. I DO want a pet which all but rules MM out. I think that’s the resentment that some of you don’t understand.
RSV wasn’t perfect by any means, but it was the middle ground between BM and MM and they killed it.
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It literally was not a middle ground. It was MM with explosive shot instead of aimed shot and cobra shot (a re-skinned steady shot). It was an MM skin. If they put explosive shot as a talent that replaces aimed shot it would literally be Survival again.
No it didn’t. Black Arrow didn’t summon random minions in Survival. Lock and Load wasn’t just about the ‘free’ spenders; it was about the three back to back explosive shots. Explosive Shot was a short term DoT, not a glorified AoE talent. Did you ever even play Survival? Because from your understanding (or rather, lack thereof) I think its safe to say that you didn’t.
You’re right. If they just copy-pasted everything that Survival had into MM’s talent tree, and made it so that by taking them you lost the MM-specific abilities and what not, then it would be Survival.
But you know what? Why in the hell should MM lose a huge chunk of its talent tree just so that you can have access to a Warrior spec with a green name? Are you not satisfied with deleting a spec that existed for over a decade, and instead you want to deprive MM of its talent tree while allowing SV to exist in a form where it has no talent tree? Seriously?
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You mean the one thing that separated them, Explosive shot vs Aimed shot?
I didn’t delete anything. I simply have passively played Hunter for 15 years and currently enjoy all its specs. You are the one who is spitefully trying to get a spec I enjoy turned back into an uninspired spec that is separated by MM by one ability.
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With MM you didn’t use a pet, BM is all Pet. RSV was about half pet, half shots. I could care less about what the rotation entailed.
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No, Aimed Shot, Chimaera Shot, Steady Shot, and the entire MM talent tree. Then Explosive Shot, Black Arrow, Lock and Load and the entire SV talent tree. Just to mention to most different abilities/passives. Can you count or do you insist that that is ‘one ability’?
And a third of the Hunter playerbase doesn’t like any of the specs apparently, since they stopped playing Hunter or quit the game altogether. Also, pay attention, nobody is trying to remove your precious warrior spec. We just want ranged Survival returned as a fourth spec.
If you want ideas about how such a four spec Hunter could work, I made a massive thread about it here: https://us.forums.blizzard.com/en/wow/t/potential-design-for-four-spec-hunter-all-spellsabilitiestalents-and-how-to-make-pets-engaging-again/529382
Survival is very different from MM here, and all I really did was place a bit more emphasis on traps for SV and a bit more emphasis on Hunter’s Mark for MM. If Blizzard actually knew what they were doing with the Hunter class as a whole, then I’d say we should have expected changes like this that would have further expanded upon Survival rather than just deleting it. But no, you only see Explosive Shot and conclude that Explosive Shot is literally the only difference between MM and SV, which is ridiculous and false.
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It’s very obvious that anyone who compares the old RSV to MM never played those specs. They were nothing alike. They both played completely different.
I don’t care what they do, but I miss the one hunter spec that didn’t depend on you having an active pet and didn’t punish you for having one either. They never should have taken away the range aspect.
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Well thats a lie. They were all using pets. In pve they started using less the pet due to Lone Wolf, but some still use pet. In pvp you want the pet unless you do random bgs.
From one that mained the SV in Wod and previous, they are similar. The only reason I played more SV was because 1) Magic dmg, ignoring armor and 2) all instant cast. Strong for pvp.
Oh… you again. Lone wolf was the near unanimous choice among all MM hunters. You are wrong. Nobody used a pet over that, it would have been an auto kick from any serious pug. Maybe in PVP it was 50/50 at best.
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Im sure of that… oh wait no, only valid on try hards guild. Using lone wolf in rated pvp is not a choice. You’d get and “auto kick”.
You don’t get kicked from a rated group. Do you even PVP?
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Bro RSV literally had Lone wolf in WoD the same as MM. Pet was optional for both. RSV had no interaction with its pet. This is a total lie.
Bro… Hunters existed long before WoD came out. Surv was so bad in draenor they completely redesigned the spec and took their bows away. From Lk to pandaria RSV with a pet were crushing things.
The only time I switched to BM back then was to have my pet tank things.
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You realize MM had a pet that whole time too right? And had just as much interaction with it as RSV? Lone wolf got added to both specs in WoD.
I’ll be honest… I have no idea what point you’re trying to make other than Wod added Lone wolf. Did I say something to the contrary?
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Your argument for RSV was that is was a nice mix between BM and MM because MM Didn’t use its pet because it had an optional Lone wolf talent. I argued that MM and RSV have the exact same amount of pet interaction; 0.
Fine, if you want to be particular about it I’ll amend. RSV was a great balance between MM and BM BEFORE WoD when related to all things pets.
RSV had better talents than MM relating to pets going back as far as I remember, MM had better non-pet talents… Until WoD. MM could never get their pets dps past the point where taking shooting abilities wasn’t more preferable where RSV could.
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