So if I purchase Avengers: Infinity War on a streaming service, and a few years down the line that streaming service changes it to Justice League instead, I shouldn’t take qualm with that decision? I shouldn’t tell them that they are wrong? I paid for the game because I enjoyed the Hunter class, and SV was a core element of it. I invested time and money into my character, and Blizzard just deleted a third of my class. Of course it is reasonable to call them out and tell them that this is not ok.
Survival wasn’t ‘changed’. It was deleted. It would be like replacing Frost in the Death Knight class with Frost from the Mage class. Same name, completely different everything else. Ranged Survival was deleted, not merely ‘changed’. A new fourth spec was introduced, and Survival was unnecessarily deleted in the process.
Why do you think I am playing Classic and not retail? I just want retail to be good again so that I can play it again.
Ya, because the argument is so monumentally one-sided. The side that wants ranged SV brought back as a fourth spec has all the data and the reasoning to support their position, and the other side just says “Shut up. It’ll never happen.” over and over and over again.
“We knew with Survival Hunter that we were making a niche spec. It is a melee spec for a class that has traditionally being range. I think that a lot of existing hunters, they are all hunters because they want to be a range class, and so we don’t necessarily expect them or want them to feel like they should be changing”
This. This this a thousand times this. i’ve been kicked from groups and pugs for being SV. I’ve been kicked from guilds for being SV. I rarely get into groups because I am SV. It is a fun spec and what I enjoy.
But its got to the point I am now building a BM off-set so I can get into groups. The community as a whole despises SV and the people that play and enjoy it get punished. I get lucky that my GM just doesn’t care what spec someone is as long as they pull their weight, or I wouldn’t get into a lot of the groups I got into; and even then we still had people complain about me being SV.
In general, how do you feel about the balance of the classes right now? Warcraftlogs says Survival Hunters are the least represented spec right now, and are there any concerns about some classes or specs?
Ion : Overall I think we are satisfied with balance. There is always people who perceive themselves on the lower end, and no matter how good the balance is, no matter how tight the difference gap between the specs, probably lower is always going to feel frustrating about that, and people are going to be vocal about it. We understand that, but I think it is an ongoing process. We are never just sitting back and saying: “ Alright, we are done. It’s ok if some specs fall behind. ”
Representation doesn’t necessarily matter as much, I think. We knew with Survival Hunter that we were making a niche spec. It is a melee spec for a class that has traditionally being range. I think that a lot of existing hunters, they are all hunters because they want to be a range class, and so we don’t necessarily expect them or want them to feel like they should be changing; but for new players picking up that class, it is an intriguing option; and we have seen a lot of Survival Hunters doing extremely well at very high levels of play. So the fact that they are not playing as often, I don’t think reflects upon their potential so much as it just does where the audience is at right now. That’s not much of a problem.
Thats not exclusive to SV… it happens with every class that isnt represented in MDI… heck sometimes it doesnt matter, you could get denied as a DH with 2.5k io in a +15.
Pugs are the worst, they want over the top io and ilvl for the content their are making a group for. This has nothing to do with being SV.
Wasn’t there a point in time where you were claiming that us forum posters were just the ‘minority’ and that most people actually really liked the new Survival? Now you are claiming that its ok that melee SV is despised so much throughout the community because the community also doesn’t like some other specs too? Wow, talk about a walk back.
the pizza place CATERS to YOUR SPECIFIC, PERSONAL demands as to how to make a pizza designed for you alone.
Bliz AINT doing that here.
they make a FEW pizzas they THINK will cater to the most people.
Precisely why making a melee hunter was a good idea.
I prefer melee. I parked my hunters at a point because i hadnt tried SV yet and didnt know it had melee like Butchery, etc.
I decided to try SV out a while back and absolutely love it.
So now its all I play when Im on hunter.
Bliz made the right decision having a melee hunter spec.
Where they went wrong mostly was taking away something that was being played instead of just adding a fourth melee spec in the first place.
That was just asking for a revolt.
“Representation doesn’t necessarily matter as much, I think. We knew with Survival Hunter that we were making a niche spec. It is a melee spec for a class that has traditionally being range.”
Niche specs don’t cater to the ‘most people’. Your opinion contradicts Blizzard’s own words.
I’m sorry that throughout the years, DK, Monk, and Demon Hunter failed to give you the options you would have liked, along with the new Outlaw Rogue spec. That’s eight more specs and a revised one. I say this unironically because I’m aware this was what Blizzard worked very hard to develop and bring.
I guess I have the same desire to see Warriors get a ranged spec. Those big muscles would be great for high-poundage/high-caliber bows and guns. There could be Dark Rangers on the DK side. There could be Zen Archers for Monks. Rogues too could have a ranged spec that excels with shortbows, light crossbows, windrifles, and more functionality with thrown weapons.
Wow, I just listed 4 more possible ranged weapon specs that never really happened because…whatever.
We’re not claiming that Blizzard is the end all authority on what is correct. So yes, if Ion says something we believe is correct, then we will acknowledge it as such. But if Ion says something we don’t believe is correct, then we will point out why. We aren’t obligated to either always agree nor always disagree with anything Blizzard says. We also provide reasoning for why we may or may not believe what they say. Whether or not you personally think it is out of ‘convenience’, it doesn’t really matter when our arguments are all backed up with solid reasoning that you cannot refute.
Furthermore, your post implied that Blizzard believed that melee SV was a pizza that would cater to the most people. The comment of yours that I quoted was one implying Blizzard’s motive in melee SV’s creation. That’s why Blizzard’s own words can be used to show they are wrong. You suggested that melee SV was meant to cater to the most people. Ion clarified quite the opposite; that they knew melee SV would be a niche spec.
On another topic. Do you think Blizzard’s vision for the game is the ‘correct’ game design? That whatever Blizzard does is the way the game simply ought to be, no questions asked?
I can provide an answer, and for further discussion. We’ve seen this before: Diablo 2, which was by and large one of the most successful online games of all time. I doubt WoW even beat D2 as far as the numbers go. Blizzard was very uncompromising on what a given class could do then, and yet it was the community that got creative with different skill builds.
It’s still their game, but it’s the compromising that’s ruining it for everyone. Blizzard, I’m sorry to say, can’t be everyone’s friend like that. They really do need to make some hard choices and let the community decide.
Claiming that melee Hunter was something that “caters to most people” is a spectacularly bad take. Especially since, as others pointed out, Blizzard explicitly thought the opposite.
Claiming that Ion said something and we can take it at face value is “a spectacularly bad take”.
But we only take him at his word when we like what he has to say and it suits our personal agenda
We’re not simply supporting our ideas and opinions with Ion’s words. We are defeating yours.
Funny how as soon as we pointed out how your words contradicted Ion’s, that you changed the subject to a personal attack, completely ignoring that your claim just contradicted Blizzard’s own words. That is textbook ad hominem.
the pizza place CATERS to YOUR SPECIFIC, PERSONAL demands as to how to make a pizza designed for you alone.