Why SV is so hated?

[Miggz-daggerspine]

@Delandithe-moon-guard

I hope you get your ranged spec back so you can stop being so miserable.

#agreeWithThat

[Coupes-tichondrius]

@Bepples-barthilas

Yes we would because that’s Marksmanship’s fantasy (and has been since the beginning, actually) and Survival does not have the same fantasy.

“class fantasy” is the worst thing blizzard ever spearheaded. its literal nonsense that means whatever someone wants to fit a catchall of why they enjoy a class.

you’re spending paragraphs trying to tell someone who thinks melee sv is fun that it isn’t fun. because class fantasy or something.

my survival class fantasy is playing a bursty control oriented melee with pet utility. something you can’t do with any other spec in the game.

[Spinnerdh-the-underbog]

@Coupes-tichondrius

you’re spending paragraphs trying to tell someone who thinks melee sv is fun that it isn’t fun. because class fantasy or something.

No, you are telling people that they wouldn’t care about Survival if MM was restored back to its old fantasy, and Bepples is simply telling you that we would still care because the old MM fantasy is different from the old SV fantasy.

@Coupes-tichondrius

my survival class fantasy is playing a bursty control oriented melee with pet utility. something you can’t do with any other spec in the game.

And now you can no longer do what SV used to do with any spec in the game. Why should we have over a dozen melee specs that all do different things, but delete one of the mere three ranged specs because you weren’t satisfied with the dozen melee DPS specs that already existed? What about all the people that played SV because it fit the fantasy they wanted to play? Are you now just spending paragraphs trying to tell someone who thinks ranged SV was fun that it wasn’t fun?

Why should ranged SV have been deleted? There was zero reason for it.

[Darkeforge-proudmoore]

Anytime you try and claim there were only three ranged specs in this game you come off like an imbecile. There is no difference between hunters and other ranged casters besides aesthetics.

p.s. no 4th spec.

[Miggz-daggerspine]

@Spinnerdh-the-underbog

Why should we have over a dozen melee specs that all do different things, but delete one of the mere three ranged specs because you weren’t satisfied with the dozen melee DPS specs that already existed?

Because whether you like it or not, that’s the direction Blizzard took hunters. That’s why?

Honestly at this point you’re still playing the game, Blizz is still making money off you, so apparently the change wasn’t bad enough for you to quit.

I guess Blizzard isn’t that stupid afterall

[Adreaver-undermine (Adreaver)]

Here’s the thing though - if they took Unholy DK, and turned it into a ranged DPS caster necromancer type spec, people would be pissed, and justifiably so. There is only one melee dps spec in the game that can raise dead minions, summon additional temporary minions, spread diseases in AOE and blow them up. Changing the spec that dramatically, even if that fantasy is compelling, more interesting than melee Unholy, and not addressed by any other spec right now, would take away the existing Unholy gameplay that people know and like. People would absolutely resent the new Unholy, and would certainly campaign for their favored gameplay type to return, either as a 4th spec, as a replacement for the ranged version, or as a subspec within the ranged version (or for the base spec to be melee, with a ranged subspec).

I really don’t get why this is hard to understand.

[Miggz-daggerspine]

Listen, Adreaver, I completely understand what you, and the other people are petitioning for and explaining. But what YOU all don’t seem to understand is this is Blizzard’s game, NOT yours. IF they wanted to make SV melee, which they did, you have no right to say it was the WRONG decision, because it’s not YOUR decision to make.

We get it, you loved the spec, you miss it and want it back, there's nothing wrong with that. What I am sick of is the constant Crusades turning EVERY hunter thread into a SV hate thread.

Every hunter thread seems to eventually end up in the "well if they just didn't delete RSV blah blah" like that would solve all the hunter issues we have today in PvE and PvP.

I have no problem with people wanting 'their" spec back, and petitioning for that, and there are currently threads for that very purpose. Spinnerdh has a good one, I don't go into that thread talking smack.

/endrant
#WaitingForBepples

I’m sure he’ll have something wonderful to say, as he always does.

P.S. This is how I feel about the subject, I in no way speak for anyone else here.

[Scraptrap-thrall]

Im just lvl 33 so far so I don’t know what its like at 120, but so far I’ve really been enjoying it for lvling. Been out dpsing my wifes BF hunter and my friends demo lock. Things scale weird though so I don’t expect this to remain true at 120. Still, its pretty fun!

[Dawnspirit-wyrmrest-accord]

@Miggz-daggerspine

But what YOU

don’t seem to understand is that it’s not your place to tell other people what kind of feed back they can and can’t give to Blizzard or what they can or can’t petition Blizzard to do.

@Miggz-daggerspine

because it’s not YOUR decision to make.

@Miggz-daggerspine

I have no problem with people wanting 'their" spec back, and petitioning for that, and there are currently threads for that very purpose.

Well aren’t you contradictory…

Anyway, the title of this thread is “Why is SV so hated?”… so discussing why MSV is so hated by people and people stating they’d like RSV as a 4th spec is kind of the point of this thread is it not?

@Miggz-daggerspine

Every hunter thread seems to eventually end up in the “well if they just didn’t delete RSV blah blah” like that would solve all the hunter issues we have today in PvE and PvP.

Uh… no. Most threads do not. Pretty sure not a single thread has ended up at “Well if we had RSV, all our problems would be solved.”

[Entrerri-proudmoore]

@Dawnspirit-wyrmrest-accord

Uh… no. Most threads do not. Pretty sure not a single thread has ended up at “Well if we had RSV, all our problems would be solved.”

Most SV threads would say you’re completely wrong.

[Dawnspirit-wyrmrest-accord]

Please quote from any thread where anyone says “If RSV comes back all our problems will be solved.” … I’ll wait.

[Entrerri-proudmoore]

I’m not getting into a back and forth with you. It’s apparent you have an agenda. This entire forum is littered with the same people in every thread saying this. You can wait all you like, although a 3rd grade reading level would save you the time.

[Dawnspirit-wyrmrest-accord]

So you can’t provide proof of your claim.

Well claims made without evidence can be dismissed without evidence. Have a nice day.

[Spinnerdh-the-underbog]

@Darkeforge-proudmoore

There is no difference between hunters and other ranged casters besides aesthetics.

Imagine being so dense that you think that all ranged DPS classes are completely identical. You see that Frostbolt spell on your bars? Ya, that’s completely identical to Corruption and Mind Flay. Completely. Identical.

@Miggz-daggerspine

Because whether you like it or not, that’s the direction Blizzard took hunters. That’s why?

“Because it happened.” isn’t a proper answer to “Why should it happen?” Please try again.

@Miggz-daggerspine

Listen, Adreaver, I completely understand what you, and the other people are petitioning for and explaining. But what YOU all don’t seem to understand is this is Blizzard’s game, NOT yours. IF they wanted to make SV melee, which they did, you have no right to say it was the WRONG decision, because it’s not YOUR decision to make.

And if you purchased a pizza from Dominoes, and they took a crap on it, then you just have to accept it. It was THEIR decision to make, NOT yours. You have no right to say it was the WRONG decision to crap on your pizza, because it wasn’t YOUR decision.

This is essentially the same logic. Why should customers just sit and take whatever the company decides ‘is best’? When I order a pizza, I get to decide what toppings it has. The pizza place doesn’t just decide “Nah, these toppings would be better actually.” Furthermore, the forums are intended to give feedback. “Everything Blizzard ever does is correct because it is their game and their decision.” couldn’t be less useful. Such a statement is the opposite of what should exist within a playerbase. We should give feedback, and we should tell Blizzard how they messed up and how to fix it. If Blizzard ignores their customers, and instead prioritizes their own pride, they will see their sales drop. That’s exactly what happened too, and now they hide their sales numbers instead of spamming them in ads all over the internet because they don’t want people to know how few subs they have.

The biggest positive move they’ve made lately was a direct result of listening to player feedback and doing what the playerbase told them to do: Classic. Now they have WAY more subs, and are making WAY more money, because they listened to the players and put aside their egos. They said “You think you want it, but you don’t”. Well, turns out that Blizzard was wrong. We thought we wanted it, and we did. Crazy, huh?

[Adreaver-undermine (Adreaver)]

I, personally, don’t care. RSV was never my spec. I’ve been MM for 15 years.

I’m just really sick of the BS back and forth over this debate, the sniping, the toxicity, etc. Every time SV comes up in conversation it devolves into the same garbage dead horse argument.

I’d like there to be more productive conversation about positive changes to the class in general, and less useless bickering.

[Azagorod-emerald-dream]

@Scraptrap-thrall

Im just lvl 33 so far so I don’t know what its like at 120, but so far I’ve really been enjoying it for lvling. Been out dpsing my wifes BF hunter and my friends demo lock. Things scale weird though so I don’t expect this to remain true at 120. Still, its pretty fun!

Aye, you are one of the reason SV remains as it is. Which is good. Ion knew it wasnt super loved by some old hunters. One group loved it and the other hated it. But he knew the spec would still grow and it would attract more new players and old from different class to try it / love it.

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@Adreaver-undermine

I’m just really sick of the BS back and forth over this debate, the sniping, the toxicity, etc. Every time SV comes up in conversation it devolves into the same garbage dead horse argument.

I’d like there to be more productive conversation about positive changes to the class in general, and less useless bickering.

I’d hate to break it to ya… but thats how the forums are… have been for WoW for a long time.

[Adreaver-undermine (Adreaver)]

It used to at least be BS armory trolls and bickering over how only no talent hacks overpulled with Barrage, how Growl On Hunters gave us all a bad name, etc.

I hate to say it but I’ve seen forum debates over US politics that were less venomous than MSV vs RSV.

[Bepples-barthilas]

@Miggz-daggerspine

But what YOU all don’t seem to understand is this is Blizzard’s game, NOT yours. IF they wanted to make SV melee, which they did, you have no right to say it was the WRONG decision, because it’s not YOUR decision to make.

Um, actually, we have the right to call any Blizzard decision we want a wrong decision.

[Spinnerdh-the-underbog]

@Azagorod-emerald-dream

Aye, you are one of the reason SV remains as it is. Which is good. Ion knew it wasnt super loved by some old hunters. One group loved it and the other hated it. But he knew the spec would still grow and it would attract more new players and old from different class to try it / love it.

Using that logic Survival should have stayed as it was. There were already tons of people who played it and loved it. This line of reasoning says that ranged SV should have never been deleted in the first place.

[Miggz-daggerspine]

@Bepples-barthilas

Um, actually, we have the right to call any Blizzard decision we want a wrong decision.

You know what young lad, you’re right, MURICA!

@Spinnerdh-the-underbog

And if you purchased a pizza from Dominoes, and they took a crap on it, then you just have to accept it. It was THEIR decision to make, NOT yours. You have no right to say it was the WRONG decision to crap on your pizza, because it wasn’t YOUR decision.

NO this is very different. You pay for what you want on the pizza. Of course you won’t just get a random pizza, as that’s not how they set up their business model. You go in, order what you want on the pizza and that’s how it comes. It’s included in the price. With Blizzard, that’s never been their business model. I don’t get to pick and choose what class design i want, order it and go on my merry way. Your analogy isn’t quite accurate in that regard.

@Spinnerdh-the-underbog

“Because it happened.” isn’t a proper answer to “Why should it happen?” Please try again.

Sure, let me “try again” since the RSV groupies want to go around and around in a circle. Why should it happen, DOESN’T matter, blizzard MADE it happen and you can only continue to petition for a change. I’m not saying I agree or disagree with Blizzard’s decisions. Personally I don’t care about RSV or MSV. I play hunter because I enjoy it, if I didn’t, I would move onto something else.

There were tons of changes to classes I used to enjoy over the years, you can either move on, play a different game or continue to be salty about a change that occurred a long time ago.

Personally I chose to move on a be happy playing the game. If that's not your thing, then I dunno what to tell ya.

I’m not trying to sound rude here, or pessimistic, but like Adreaver stated:

@Adreaver-undermine

I’m just really sick of the BS back and forth over this debate, the sniping, the toxicity, etc. Every time SV comes up in conversation it devolves into the same garbage dead horse argument.

I’d like there to be more productive conversation about positive changes to the class in general, and less useless bickering.

These forums have just become the same argument over and over.