Hate to point out another one of your false assumptions… but I play Alliance as well. This is one of Curseword’s Alliance 120s.
You are not the only person who can play both Factions. So you are just more and more wrong.
How about take your own advice?
You got the idea that you have some “clearer picture” because you play both Factions and I dont… That is just another incorrect statement from you, as I do play both Factions.
It is always humorous when a poster such as yourself insists his use of the language is more accurate than the language used in lore… while using words like “cuz”.
Woe to anyone who takes your ignorant language lessons seriously.
I disagree with you. You call it “deluded”- fine. The nonsense you are spewing does not mean much to me, when it is proven incorrect.
You claimed I disagree because I did not play Alliance. I showed you that you were incorrect - I do in fact play both Factions.
We come to different conclusions with the same story. I can only guess that you are prone to making incorrect assumptions based on your bias. You assumed I only played Horde because I disagree with you. That was wrong.
Maybe your propensity to be wrong has something to do with why I disagree.
I wouldn’t bother. Cursewords just likes villains and sympathizes with them. There’s not much to delve into that. Also using a lot of passive aggressive insults.
For all intents and purposes a private reprimand that’s not officially recorded, is a non-existent reprimand as far as the world outside that little office was concerned. So when Sylvannas says to Saurfang that Greymane was not reprimanded, she is PERFECTLY CORRECT in saying so.
And the reasons she did so have been discussed. Either way she fulfilled the mission that Garrosh had given her…removed Gilneas as an Alliance beachhold on the nortthern part of the East Continent.
I missed this before. I think his comments before indicate he would have.
Odynyells: Throughout your trials, you have demonstrated strength, skill, and intellect-traits shared by the greatest of our vrykul kings. Now… you will face them in combat. Emerge victorious, and you may yet claim your prize!
Odyn yells: To the victor go the spoils… The Aegis of Aggramar is yours for the taking. God-King Skovald yells: No! I, too, have proved my worth, Odyn. I am God-King Skovald! These mortals dare not challenge my claim to the aegis! Odyn yells: The vanquishers have already taken possession of it, Skovald, as was their right. Your protest comes too late. God-King Skovald yells: If these false champions will not yield the aegis by choice… then they will surrender it in death!
Denoting ‘to the victor goes the spoils’ and ‘as was their right’ in regards to our possession. Who won the situation got it. Per the text you put, it still only denotes to me he would have been unhappy about it.
She doesn’t say it…the best delivered messages are those that say themselves. as in the passage from “A Good War” below.
“The boy in Stormwind will not start a war tomorrow,” Saurfang said.
Her eyebrows lowered. “With Genn Greymane in his ear? We will see.”
That was a concern, Saurfang had to concede. In the thick of the fighting against the Burning Legion, Greymane had launched a mission to kill Sylvanas. It had gotten some of Stormwind’s few remaining airships destroyed.
There were whispers that Greymane had ordered the attack without Anduin’s permission, but as far as Saurfang knew, Greymane had not been punished. The implications of that were troubling, and every possible explanation led to same conclusion: the old worgen would always drive the Alliance toward war
You’re missing the point here because you’re insisting about being a literalist. Her conversation brought the inescapable facts in Saurfang’s mind. The brilliance of Sylvanna’s argument is that she didn’t yell or browbeat or argue Saurfang into supporting her war, she laid down the road of thought to a path where he could not choose otherwise by telling the observable truth in every sentence she laid down. The best liars in the buisness are those who use only the truth.
No … she didn’t say it… She got Saurfang to say it in his own mind.
Partly because I wanted to make sure I didn’t miss some part of the story. Partly because your entire post was about how Sylvanas was PERFECTLY CORRECT when it wasn’t even something that happened. That isn’t pedantry.
While it is certainly a moment where neither of these characters were acting for the greater good of their factions, Genn is undoubtedly the one who began the hostilities and ended up doing something for the greater good after the fact. The horde and alliance were low on resources and the loss of one of the last airships along with multiple forsaken ships for a personal vendetta that could have started a war then and there was unacceptable.
Slyvanas used this event to convince the more moderate elements within the horde that a first strike was needed. The reasoning was if anduin can’t control the more hostile elements within the alliance than a war is unavoidable, and if that’s the case then it would be best to start the war on our terms. It was a political power play that Genn basically handed to slyvanas so if anything not only was Genn acting on revenge but he’s partly responsible for causing this whole mess
How about no??? Falsely accusing someone of treachery because you lack of information and have your spy being infiltrate ins’t a good reason. Sylvanas may have saved the world form the legion by calling a retreat and not letting the horde and later the alliance force being destroy by the legion trap ( trap that happen because of the alliance spy being infiltrated).
Also Glenn make it clear that he wont wait for reason to attack Sylvanas and did not wait by attacking her as soon as she arrive in Stormheim.
That part that bothered me the most is that it feels more glaringly nonsensical than most things. Lordaeron has a northern coast where they could have built a port. Stromgarde was (supposedly) known for having a good port, could have much more easily taken that. Quel’thalas already (far as I can tell) has a port. Gilneas seems like such a poor choice for that.
If the idea was ‘we want to take out human resistance’, sure. But just a port? There was a plethora of better/easier options.
Well, Edge of Night sort of reveals that Garrosh’s motives weren’t so cut and dry as him just wanting a stronger presence on EK. Rather, while that would have been nice, it seems as though a good portion of his intent was to use the Forsaken as a rabid distraction (and throw them into a meatgrinder) to take the Alliance’s focus away from Kalimdor; and weaken their potential support to the NEs. Garrosh always considered Sylvanas a threat … one to weaken or remove.
Northern Barrens questing already revealed that the EK Alliance has one hell of a time trying to actually back up the Kaldorei (if they are put under pressure). Part of the reason Taraujo even occurred was due to the Alliance’s desperate attempts to open up a second front and supply route to the NE territories to take pressure off their primary Kalimdor allies. So Garrosh shifting the EK Alliance races focus North (even if only a little bit) instead of West would have been advantageous on his attempts at a Horde only Kalimdor.