Those tires are already destroyed for a lot of us.
Youre trying way too hard for a bad comparison you made to make sense. Literally both Savage Raids and Extreme Trials are 1-boss, 8-mans. I dont have to change anything in terms of how they function because they function and are set-up exactly the same.
Its why your comparison of raids are glorified dungeons doesnt make sense as a counter-point because you even said you had to upscale to make raids – which unlike Savage Raids, there is essentially no upscaling or changes from Ex. Trials.
Unless you can explain how Savage Trials are fundamentally different than Ex. Trials, then you dont have a point here at all – and its just getting mad because someone said something bad about FF14 design.
They’re trying to get people to play FFXIV to make themselves feel better. That’s it.
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The change is the difficulty, the complexity of mechanics, the types of mechanics, etc.
EX Trials just aren’t on the same level as Savage raids rofl. It’s just not the case.
If you’re saying that they are effectively similar forms of content, and that Trials are essentially stand-alone raids at lower difficulty and that’s it? I mean… Yeah. I’ve adamantly agreed that the only divider is the tier system and the difficulty.
But if you’re saying they’re basically the same thing, I don’t agree. Because they just aren’t.
I thought we were just having a calm discussion rofl. I don’t care if you dislike XIV. I’ve said multiple times that it’s your opinion, you’re entitled to it, and I’m absolutely okay with that. Trying to paint the conversation as “u mad bro” is a bit beneath you.
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I don’t think he’s reading his own comments lol, he’s the only one coming off as mad.
Okay so you want wrath?
no world quest, or mythic plus or mythic raid mode. You want the whole game to be mostly leveling and then what little content you do is a big deal.
thats…thats ff. You literally want less content and things to do and the trade off is feeling special for it.
Well… I noticed he started replying before he could’ve even read my comment rofl. So idk.
I’m not upset in the slightest. I like both games for different reasons. I’m fine with others holding different opinions than my own. I just like to be clear about why I feel the way I feel.
If he likes WoW more, I’m happy for him. I like WoW too.
If someone else likes XIV more? I empathize with that.
I just think this “you have to choose a side” mindset is silly, juvenile and a bit toxic (and I hate calling things toxic lol)
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It was also like that in MoP. Yes WQs suck. M+ is still the same dungeon over and over and over and over but with a timer. Mythic raiding, the activity the least amount of people take part in.
I wouldn’t mind if they all went away. Along with borrowed power systems. Wow was a much better and much more successful game back then when it was like that as well.
Depends on the tier, Im pretty sure some people would argue Ex Hades or Ex WoL is as hard as some eS (maybe earlier tiers).
I will agree Savages are harder but mechanically they are about the same. They function the same and have the same setup – that what I mean at that level rather than difficulty.
They both play the same and function the same – that is the argument for I dont think the PvE design is the greatest if you have two different things that essentially are the same thing.
We were. I just didnt understand why you tried to gatekeep. I like FF14 – I just dont think their PvE design is better than WoWs
“No u” lol
No matter how much fawning over Final Fantasy XIV is done on here, it’s still not going to make me like that game. I’ve tried it four separate times and simply cannot get into it no matter how hard I’ve tried.
The graphics, awful combat system, awful maps, loading every 30 seconds to get anywhere, you couldn’t pay me to play that piece of crap.
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I just disagree with the nature of the argument. You’re assuming they’re meant to serve as entirely different forms of content when they’re just different ways of releasing content w/ different difficulties that’s more of an “on-ramp” to savage.
I really don’t see that I did that, but if I did, or if that’s how you interpreted it? I’m sorry. That wasn’t my intent.
And again, it’s okay if you feel differently. We can both agree to disagree and just enjoy the games we enjoy. I like WoW too. I just prefer XIV’s endgame more. And I mean, that’s okay you know? Different strokes or whatever lol
No it wasn’t it just made you feel better about doing nothing but basic quest lines.
It made it so if you did a heroic dungeon you did it as hard as could be and you could feel on level with anyone else who did it.
M+ and world quest are literally things people asked for b/c people like me ran out of things to do and wanted more systems.
you want content removed b/c you personally don’t enjoy it even though we have more to do then EVER? because you don’t get told your special for hitting level 60?
They are though. We dont disagree that Ex Trials are slightly to somewhat easier than Savage tiers (increasing in gap as the tiers come out). So naturally – one would assume that those who participate in Ex Trials may not participate in Savage.
The “but if you think that’s true, you clearly haven’t cleared the latest Savage tier, let alone set foot into any Ultimate fights” is a literal definition gatekeep – since most of the people who ever play FF14 dont do Savage nor step into Ultimates anyways.
It would be me like saying to your “raids are glorified dungeons” saying you arent a Mythic raider as a retort.
But if thats not your intent, then thats fine.
you mean in WOTLK when Dungeons where meaningful and difficult ? not the useless timer that just stress out people to rush the content.
Quantity < Quality - when you like something. You should really try FF14 or at least the end game.
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Clearly we don’t agree at all on anything wow related. You like modern terrible wow and I like better older wow (not as old as classic/BC though). Wow was better when we didn’t have the garbage bogging it down like today.
You have to live in a bubble to not see that wow is in bad shape.
Which is a opinion. that’s valid to a point but you want content removed b/c you personally don’t do it.
It would sound stupid if a mythic raider came to the forums upset that pvp exist just b/c they didn’t want to do it.
wow isn’t in bad shape just because that person doesn’t do any form of content it means they can’t play the game how its meant too.
Zadnor isnt quality either.
Id honestly say it was worse in BFA.
Wow is in a bad state right now.
That’s my point though. It’s an intermediary form of content. not the same as Savage. People who participate in Ex Trials might not do Savage, just like people who do heroic might not do Mythic.
But unlike heroic to mythic, EX Trials to Savage are entirely new fights.
If I was saying that earnestly, as if it were fact, while talking about mythic but I didn’t do mythics? I feel like you’d have a right to tell me I’m mistaken.
My point in writing that wasn’t to “gatekeep” or somehow devalue your opinion but to point out that there were factual issues with what you were saying that anyone who had ran savage (especially the latest eden tier) would know just isn’t true.
But I’ll take responsibility and say that perhaps I could’ve went about saying what I felt needed to be said in a more graceful manner.
I’d say it’s debatable. I’d rank BFA and SL below WoD (but not by that much). They are definitely the worst expansions imo.
I just don’t see wow moving to improve at all.