Why siding with Saurfang is fundamentally wrong

[Finalchaotic-hyjal (Finalchaotic)]

Good one. Do you even know why? No? Then you have no point.

i know why, don’t change the fact that they did, don’t try to deflect the fact.

Do you know why? No? Again, no point.

because elves generally, are humans booty lickers.

Yes. It’s almost like no race is allowed to have feelings or even basic rights. Unless it’s you, of course.

basic rights, exactly what sylvanas want

i know why, don’t change the fact that they did, don’t try to deflect the fact.

So you don’t know. Got it.

because elves generally, are humans booty lickers.

Good on you. I’m sure the Alliance still screaming for High elves- will believe every word you say.

basic rights, exactly what sylvanas want

Basic understanding, exactly what you don’t have

Edit: But you can continue to debate with yourself. I am done with the off topic, anatomy contest.

[Trystian-moon-guard]

i’ve always liked sylvie, thrall, jaina, etc the best. until jaina lost her mind and now calls me horde scum. forget you jaina. -.- i’ve always been an orc with undead sympathies and until recently felt like the best lore was forsaken lore. they’re really doing a number on it though and idk what to think anymore. i’ve never been for the “old” horde much though. i was alliance that had mostly horde alts that sympathized with sylvie and didn’t care much for trolls etc. most of my horde toons are orcs and taurens though.

[Syegfryed-tol-barad (Syegfryed)]

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By this logic, Orcs are demon booty lickers.

it a serious stretch, but i give you points for the try

So you don’t know. Got it.

still deflecting

Basic understanding, exactly what you don’t have

i mean you are the one Defending sylvanas, no one with basic understanding would do that.

But you can continue to debate with yourself.

Nah, its an elf thing.

[Ohgodmyeyez-hyjal]

it a serious stretch

No, it isn’t. Orcs once took orders from demons, until the demons’ nature and betrayal became evident. Elves once took orders from Humans, until the Humans’ nature and betrayal became evident.

The parallel is easy to see.

[Trystian-moon-guard]

a lot of the responses in this thread are just MUH OLD HORDE. lol

[Syegfryed-tol-barad (Syegfryed)]

The parallel is easy to see.

yeah, but the orcs killed the demons, elves try to join the humans again.

[Ohgodmyeyez-hyjal]

yeah, but the orcs killed the demons, elves try to join the humans again.

…Ehhh, no. Blood Elves are trying to kill the Humans and their allies. Void Elves are not Blood Elves in much the same way that Lightbound Orcs are not Mag’har Orcs.

Creating false dichotomies is fun, but you don’t seem to be very good at it.

[anon1268335]

I love the forsaken lore. An almost no time do I feel as a forsaken that I am part of the Horde, or that we share the same values. when you look at how garosh treats Sylvanas thru the leveling zones, your not thinking - one big happy family.

End of Legion with Sylvy becoming warchief felt like a “we really belong”, they accept us, one of our own is on top…

Then she goes off and basically spits on everything the Horde stand for.

When I’m on my undead - I love it. Very hard to support her as an orc, tauren or troll though - for me anyway.

[Zhiifang-wyrmrest-accord (Zhiifang)]

Most of the responses to the question were against forgiving the Horde; often in favor of killing, dismantling, imprisoning, or putting us in some sort of probation depending on our race and involvement in the war.

Forum responses == lore

[Worgheart-magtheridon]

OP is right, there is really nothing the Horde can do to make up for the genocide of the Night Elves. We won’t forgive, and I really can’t imagine what would make us even consider it. I want to see Orgrimmar and Silvermoon BURN.

[Trystian-moon-guard]

sylvie is the victim of bad writing moreso than anything else. she’s the scapegoat to make this us vs them expansion even work in the first place.

[Terrormu-argent-dawn]

If you dont like the game so much…why do you even play…???

[anon1268335]

Kind of a cartoon villain treatment, yeah

I’m just not sure if Nate or Gally play the Boris part.

[Syegfryed-tol-barad (Syegfryed)]

Creating false dichotomies is fun, but you don’t seem to be very good at it.

says the guy who tried to create a parallel of the orcs enslavement to the elves trying to join the alliance, top kek

[Taramayne-wyrmrest-accord]

The solution.

Saurfang and the Horde (…minus the Forsaken) accompany the Mag’har back to Draenor, exterminate Yrel and the Naaru-sucking Lightborne, and take our real homeworld back.

[Starlagosa-dentarg (Starlagosa)]

Elves and forsaken came later. They shouldn’t be considered “founding members” of the horde. Orc, Tauren, warspear… i’ll listen to their view on honor and what it means to be horde. The new kids on the block have way too many historical ties to humans to be trustworthy.

This is more like xenophobic racism than any good qualities Thrall had when he started the Horde. There’s no ‘founding member’ cult except maybe in your head.

[Fliktarg-thrall (Fliktarg)]

exactly. Other horde leaders are already advising sylvanas to call for negotiations. With her dethroned I am sure negotiations would start.

[Tiridan-aerie-peak (Tiridan)]

What does this mean? It means that if you side with Saurfang, you’re at best really pushing your luck with the Alliance forgiving the Horde a second time, and at worst you’re inadvertently aiding the extermination of your own faction.

So… the opinions of random forum users now dictates the course of BFA’s story?

[Zulzamba-wyrmrest-accord (Zulzamba)]

I like the game itself, as I said on a post up there that you missed. I am just not emotionally invested in the lore/game anymore. I play it as “just a game”.

[Terrormu-argent-dawn]

Fair enough…Peace be with you…and good hunting