Why siding with Saurfang is fundamentally wrong

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Back in January a made a thread asking if the Alliance would forgive the Horde . Most of the responses to the question were against forgiving the Horde; often in favor of killing, dismantling, imprisoning, or putting us in some sort of probation depending on our race and involvement in the war. There were others who weren’t even in favor of forgiving the Horde back in MoP after the Garrosh debacle. Certainly there are in-lore Alliance characters who share the same sentiment.

What does this mean? It means that if you side with Saurfang, you’re at best really pushing your luck with the Alliance forgiving the Horde a second time, and at worst you’re inadvertently aiding the extermination of your own faction. You may not like Sylvanas or her methods, but keeping the Horde together is better than inciting a civil war in the middle of an actual war. There is no doubt that even if Saurfang’s rebellion succeeds, we’ll stand zero chance against the Alliance forces in the aftermath. We’ll be too weak from in-fighting. The Alliance can simply do whatever they want with the scraps left of the Horde. Saurfang may very well be the Alliance’s best (unaware) ally in this war.

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I agree. Anyone that chooses Saurfang doesn’t know what it means to be Horde.

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You’re making the assumption Anduin, and The Alliance as a whole would wipe out The Horde if Sylvanas was dethroned.

Despite Anduin being the one to let Saurfang go in the first place. Hell, even AFTER teldrassil, Anduin gave Sylvanas a chance to surrender.

Sylvanas being dethroned, I’m sure Anduin would call an immediate cease fire to the war to negotiate, as that’s within his character as a naive, young, peace dreaming boy.

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Why would Proudmoore stand back and allow this?

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Why did she stand back and allow Sylvanas a chance to surrender at Lordaeron?

Because Anduin is King and she respects him.

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Anduin is king, but it would be miraculous if he can convince many of these Alliance leaders to honor his cease fire. The Night Elves won’t easily forget Teldrassil like he’s willing to.

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The problem here is Varian isn’t the king anymore. If he was, everything you said would’ve been correct.

However, Anduin is king, and believe it or not, he still wants peace. He’s just not stupid enough to try that while Sylvanas is in charge.

So, his goal currently is help saurfang and remove/kill The Dark Lady and then forge an everlasting peace with the horde that remains after the fall out.

Anduin is not his father. He will ALWAYS extend a hand of friendship in an attempt for peace.

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That was before the Horde nearly killed her. Will she be so forgiving the next time they meet?

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I sincerely doubt that, after Teldrassil, the Alliance wouldn’t follow through.

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That’s kind of the OP’s point. Based on the replies of Alliance players.

The story is one thing but as we know for a fact, Blizzard tends to “re-write” the story in favor of the Alliance. So they have a point in regards to how the story could shift if there were a massive outcry by players.

To clarify: No, I don’t believe Blizzard would go so far as eradicating the entire Horde faction. But it’s still worth noting.

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We don’t need forgiveness, spoiler it is WoW, there are no losing sides between alliance/horde if there was its game over

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That was sylvanas, and as you know with this games writing, if she dies/runs off, everything is forgiven.

You always have to keep in mind the alliance will never dismantle the horde. The faction needs to exist for the game to continue.

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She’d better.
Speaking as a rabid Saurfang supporter, I dearly hope the Alliance keeps its business to itself, this time. We’ll deal with this…Banshee Brat on our own.
Remember the last time the Alliance ‘helped’ us, with Garrosh? not only did King Varian(brave soul that he was) prevent Horde justice but then little Prince Beiber had to go all over ‘honorable’ and give Garrosh some help. Result: WoD.

As for the rest…

#ShoulderOFF4Saurfang
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Sure, but even after Teldrassil, Anduin held optimism that people like Saurfang still exist within The Horde.

“My father told me Varok Saurfang embodied The Honor of The Horde.”

Genn and Jaina growl and get angry, but they still follow Anduins lead, as displayed in the throne room cutscene.

It’s very clear Anduin doesn’t want to wipe out The Horde, he wants both sides to work together.

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I don’t know… it would really depend on the writers. It’s funny to me when anyone tries to use logic or lore to come up with any theories on WoW. Back in vanilla, I held a weekly meeting for anyone to come to in game called “Lorecraft”. I had all the D20 books, I had been playing the Warcraft games since 94 on MS DOS, I had all the novels- you name it, I knew about it.

Hell, I remember the first summer after WoW’s release, in th D20 books, was the first time Rastakhan and Zuldazar were ever mentioned. Anyway, BC put a blow to the lore when they changed what Draenei were. As time continued, the lore changed more (not added to mind you- I am 100% cool with new lore, but not at the expense of old lore). BC also introduced elves to the Horde, which after the events of Warcraft 2 and all of history up til then between trolls and elves, I was shocked. When ZA came out and I watched the video with Zul’Jin, I was so happy because I thought for sure we could side with him if we wanted, nope.

Anyway, then they get rid of the D20 books when they simply abruplty decided to no longer make them canon. Then things even in the novels changed. So, you have a path and writing that makes no sense, classes among races that don’t, races among factions that don’t, and the list goes on.

Anyway, my point is, regardless of anything that Anduin has ever done, shown, or how he has acted, my point is that the writers could make him 180 in an instant, and say, burn the Horde capital, kill them all, and let us never speak of this again. Or who knows. I gave up years ago caring about all this, and the game got a lot more fun! lol Because the creators gave up on it.

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Maybe. But Malfurion and Tyrande don’t have the measure of respect for the throne of Stormwind that Jaina and Genn do. Anduin is going to have to choose which issues to stand firm on if he doesn’t want to risk splintering the Alliance itself.

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Of course, and to be honest, it should.

Night Elves and Undead both should go back to being their own independent factions.

Clearly it hasn’t melded well with the heart and ideals of The Horde having Undead lead it. And The Alliance has failed The Night Elves.

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A faction that can only exist via genocidal chain war crimes has no business existing. If the Horde breaks apart due to internal strife against Sylvanas’ tyranny, then it has failed its rite of passage and rightly deserves such an outcome.

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Being lectured on the honor of the horde by blood elves defending a forsaken high elf…

:rofl:

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What’s your point? Every race in the Horde is here because of Thrall. What difference is between that and an Orc lecturing anyone about giving up their own foundation, in favor of an Undead elf?
At least Garrosh was another Orc, even if he was threatening (and did) to destroy everything that was built.