Why san'layn wont happen thread

[Syegfryed-tol-barad (Syegfryed)]

Neat, doesn’t make them vampires though.

undead elves who drink blood, good enough.

Death Knights are a completely different type of undead than San’layn

its an undead elf who drink blood, like i said you can rp fine.

Liches do not have a hunger curse like San’layn, Forsaken, and Death Knights do.

do you know? cause you said every undead have some sort of hunger in some kind

That’s an assumption you are having.

you entire point is based on assumption and dreams, i can have my assumptions too.

The very fact that they have showed up in this and the previous expansion after a long absence.

this is not a hint.

Well the Lich King is dead so he’s not controlling them and they’re in the wind, so we have no knowledge to their mindset or current machinations.

if they were open to join societ again they would do after WtLK, not now.

The “entire race” weve seen is less than a handful

still is all our encounter with then and its canon until proved otherwise.

And how is she more evil?

ayyy

They do have this necessity, it’s blatantly stated they crave flesh.

its rly not

Yep, they can eat all the ice cream they want, does’Nt abate their curse or restore their bodies.

yep its magic what do.

They can eat anything they want, their Curse makes them crave Humanoid and Undead flesh.

not stated that they need and have a necessity to do that, only one undead said he did this, and since their diet is varued, we can safe say those are not rule.

its just about necromantic magic.

It didn’t stop the Void Elves and Mag’har and both types of Draenei from being playable

its because MAghar don’t have population problems, they are big, and void elves are enough to make an elite force even moe when they recruit more…

your lack of proof has kept your arguments a non-starter.

again, you dismissing the proof because you don’t like,and go against your bias, don’t make then non-existent.

Which validates that other people are around and can see them and are aware they’re warlocks, people know what warlocks are, just because they don’t go summoning Doomguards in the middle of the city doesn’t change that.

Again, they can’t, the general common people don’t know the horde have warlocks, they do their things in secret away from the eyes of the common folk.

This is the first interaction you have withthe rogue trainer about the “dude” who is a warlock.

Shhh, not so loud. I don’t trust Nartok over there. Anyone that has to hide deeper in a cave than I do shouldn’t be trifled with.

Thrall “publicly” banning Warlocks is not the same as no one knowing they existed.

the general and common folk don’t know about then.

It’s not.

it clearly is, despite the undead cure they also have the vampyr curse.

You need prove of rather than to continue to make things up.

the proof is every interaction we have with then, especially Dreven who show to be.

How are Death Knights controlled?

Aimed at the enemy faction.

Again, provide receipts stating they are inherently evil rather than to continue to lie.

Again, every single of then to show up is evil, proving they are evil

provide evidence of then not being than continue to lie.

And does the number “few” come before 12 or after 500?

the number is too few regardless.

Nope.

proof otherwise.

No, you made the claim, your provide facts

yeah sure, i will start doing when you do it.

That’s not how that works.

thats literally how it work, a thing is a thing until it snot anymore, by now there is nothing implied something different.

points at fans of vampire fans

lets stop projecting

immortality, avoiding death from wounds, etc

eles are immortal and with a world of magic that can cure wounds at easy seems a fail deal.

Not if they stave off the decay through replacing parts such as feeding, surgery, and magic.

no, its stated that the decay is inevitable, the magic just slow the process.

What have you given me to read other than assumptions and falsehoods?

alright.

And? What does that have to do with the Forsaken helping defend Silvermoon?

that they give 2 craps about forsaken.

More assumptions you are having.

im assuming the forsaken will not stand wit their god-queen? lmao

Which would be?

4Head

So lore is bad because vampire elves exist?

you mised the entire point, maybe you are trying to bait somehow, i did try to be conceding, but if you gonna be like that, not gonna go further

I’ve pointed out that we’ve encountered more evil Tauren than San’layn total.

thats no proof of a good sanlayn.

I you’re blatantly ignoring official statements

the ofcial Statement tis they can eat and survive with other things.

So absolutely any change or additional information, no matter how small, is a retcon.

a retcon is literally when facts are adjusted, ignored, or contradicted by new info/lore

it will be a retcon.

I don’t think you even know what the word retcon means

i do know, i think you don’t, your example of night elves show you don’t.

The possibility is more likely than it is not is what i state.

provide proofs and evidence for that, if not its a lie.

You kinda do, that’s how that works.

no, not in wow,

Which would reduce their numbers true, numbers you have yet to provide.

it don’t need to have number to show then as minority.

You want me to do what you are doing and make stuff up?

you can simple work with basic logic and ingame information.

i know it snot your fort, but come on.

But as you point out Talanji didn’t, and currently playing a Demon Hunter and it’s campaign fresher in my mind i know the Illidari haven’t.

pretty sure you do the blood oath to sylvanas so you can go to broken islands first.

You flip/flop between game and lore

i never did, you are the one saying about battlegrounds and the size of cleft of shadows.

None.

the fact that they are evil, and the horde not wanting evil races.

Again, assumption on your part.

totally true, all the dks came from the ebon blade

And so could San’layn.

showed to not be so easy since dreven feed on horde lives.

There is far more evil Forsaken shown than San’layn.

and various good forsaken and literally not a single one good sanlayn.

Few is not a number.

few is too few, 90% of the race is exterminated, 30% flee to outland from dalaran, blizz know how many of those 30% travel to nortrend, but seeing TBC it was not that much.

And what proof do you have that there’s not elves wishing to be San’layn?

until now, im deducing the elves have not brain damage to want to be a death monstrosity with a curse that hunger with lives.

It’ll help

in what?

They need allies

this is not reason, if that so we could start recruiting demons and other nonsense races.

have plenty of powerful magics

we already have tons.

willpower as those presented shown

meh

You mean lies you repeat.

they are true…

Where has anyone claimed that people that want San’layn want them first

the spam posts pretty much implies that.

San’layn: we offer our aid.

why, with what purpose, from what reasons

nothing make sense.

That would make for a great recruitment scenario to show off, like, every single other Allied Race so far?

that just show why we don’t need sanlayn as allies.

Which would fit the San’layn if they were added.

one theme “fit” then and all the other don’t, sot hey actually don’t fit the horde.

Which everyone wanting San’layn is calling for.

now thats a assumption, it snot everyone who want then.

pretty sure your fanbase is lower than the HE one, with so much support exactly because of then.

Blizzard can’t retcon something you are making up.

lmao, of course they can, its their game.

Dark Iron Dwarves, Void Elves, and Zandalari Trolls say hi.

moira said hi, tons of dark irons before, void elves don’t even existed to be villains and raid bosses, and zandalari helped us before they became enemeis in vanila

again fail argument.

Or Blizzard can add based on whats being asked for and what’s thematic.

so? all the races i said and no sanlayn at all?

cause all those races are being asked, and all of these are thematic, more thematic to the horde than vampire elves.

Not really.

the aprill’s fool joke about elves clearly show that even blizzard had enough of then

and i never said i wanted them before other races

Or Blizzard can add based on whats being asked for and what’s thematic.

Dungeons and Dragons would like to have words with you.

they do have a word with me but most of the vampires there are humans not elves.

Forsaken, Blood Elves, Nightborne, and Goblins say hi.

exception to the rule say hi.

and what is funny on exception is, they don’t are frequent, and don’t happen all the time.

That’s oddly specific. Why can’t they introduce lore as they see fit?

because they can’t just throw random lore with no sense.

their best shot is a expansion based on nortrend and the return of the LK.

That’s an assumption you’re having.

sure

Having said, just make your own mega thread for the races you’d like to see.

i already did.

We just got a troll as our last allied race

and an elf

there is 2 trolls and 4 elves in the game,trolls is more thematic than elf withing the horde.

[Carissaria-aggramar]

I never understood why people make threads pushing anti player customization, as if it effects you in some way.

I don’t know either. Yet there are hundreds of anti high elf posts.

[Bourbonboxer-lightbringer (Bourbonboxer)]

OP doesnt have to be around for a thread to exist. Where are you getting this logical fallacy?

From the fact where he doesnt really have an argument and goes to ask others for theres in this thread.

Also why are you talking in third person when you are OP Virden?

Your post doesnt seem to add anything to the topic.

Because what is to add to this topic…it was dead for 10 hours. There is no discussion outside your limited OP.

[Laeth-hakkar]

undead elves who drink blood, good enough.

No cause they ain’t vampire. Forsaken consume the blood of the corpse when they eat it, doesn’t make them vampires either.

its an undead elf who drink blood, like i said you can rp fine.

undead elf =/= vampire, by that reasoning all Forsaken priests can RP Paladins just fine.

do you know? cause you said every undead have some sort of hunger in some kind

I don’t believe I did.

you entire point is based on assumption and dreams, i can have my assumptions too.

“assumptions and dreams” is an odd way to say official statements that I have quoted.

this is not a hint.

Then what would you call it?

if they were open to join societ again they would do after WtLK, not now.

The first major attempt for Forsaken to rejoin with their living family members and friends just occurred prior to BfA, not right after Wrath. It’s not out of place that the San’layn didn’t immediately do so after being freed. But then we haven’t seen them, so who’s to say they haven’t?

still is all our encounter with then and its canon until proved otherwise.

… which is done when interacting with others.

ayyy

That’s not even a response, how is she more evil?

its rly not

I’ve quoted the official statement saying they do.

yep its magic what do.

Magic can, as well as surgery, for restoring their bodies. But neither helps with their cravings. Eating flesh deals with both.

not stated that they need and have a necessity to do that

I literally quoted the part that says they do.

only one undead said he did this

More than one.

and since their diet is varued, we can safe say those are not rule.

They are capable of consuming other things does not disprove that have a curse of hunger.

its because MAghar don’t have population problems

They did originally until Blizzard retconned it, which actually was a retcon. “More came through than what was shown” is a retcon.

and void elves are enough to make an elite force even moe when they recruit more…

The original count of Void Elves is dubious just the same for the San’layn, and just like them they can recruit too.

again, you dismissing the proof because you don’t like,and go against your bias, don’t make then non-existent.

You would have to actually provide proof for me to have dismissed it.

Again, they can’t, the general common people don’t know the horde have warlocks,

Receipts please.

they do their things in secret away from the eyes of the common folk.

They do their warlocky stuff where other’s can’t see is not the same as no one knowing what they are.

This is the first interaction you have withthe rogue trainer about the “dude” who is a warlock.

That’s not really helping your argument.

the general and common folk don’t know about then.

Receipts please.

it clearly is, despite the undead cure they also have the vampyr curse.

The same undead that crave flesh. You can survive having blood taken, loss of flesh much less so.

the proof is every interaction we have with then, especially Dreven who show to be.

Every interaction we’ve seen them to be show them to be perfectly stable, evil or not. The “all San’layn are unstable” is another creation of yours.

Aimed at the enemy faction.

Just like Forsaken and San’layn can be.

Again, every single of then to show up is evil, proving they are evil

The 6 we’ve so far have been evil, with Lana’thel questionable. Only 6, in no way does that show that all San’layn are inherently evil. Otherwise all Orcs are evil due to Siege of Orginnmar, there was a lot more than 6 Orcs in that Raid.

provide evidence of then not being than continue to lie.

You need to provide evidence that they are all inherently evil, as that is the lie you continue to spread.

the number is too few regardless.

A number is a number. Few is not a number.

proof otherwise.

The Death Knight lore is not different from how they are ingame.

yeah sure, i will start doing when you do it.

I have done so, you didn’t like that.

thats literally how it work, a thing is a thing until it snot anymore, by now there is nothing implied something different.

No. You have met an evil San’layn. That is completely different than all San’layn are evil.

lets stop projecting

? You asked

eles are immortal

They aren’t.

and with a world of magic that can cure wounds at easy seems a fail deal.

looks at every character that has died right…

no, its stated that the decay is inevitable, the magic just slow the process.

You know what the term “stave off” means right?

that they give 2 craps about forsaken.

That doesn’t have anything to do with what you just said.

im assuming the forsaken will not stand wit their god-queen? lmao

Some will, some won’t. Trying to nail down exacts is assuming.

4Head

?

you mised the entire point, maybe you are trying to bait somehow,

You outright said it coming from elves was bad.

i did try to be conceding, but if you gonna be like that, not gonna go further

You made a statement about wanting them to have more lore, but when we agreed on that you immediately shifted goalposts and required other races and 2 expansions at them minimum, so you really haven’t.

thats no proof of a good sanlayn.

It disproves your belief that since we’ve met 6 evil San’layn that all San’layn are evil.

the ofcial Statement tis they can eat and survive with other things.

The official statement is they can eat other things but have no need to, there is not an official statement that they can survive off different things because they have no need to eat normal food. They need flesh.

a retcon is literally when facts are adjusted, ignored, or contradicted by new info/lore

it will be a retcon.

Which has not occurred, and if non-evil San’layn were introduced would also not do so.

i do know, i think you don’t, your example of night elves show you don’t.

I asked if you thought that was a retcon, since they were later introduced, which would be the same situation for San’layn, which you insist is a retcon.

provide proofs and evidence for that, if not its a lie.

Saying it’s a possibility is not a lie. For it to be a lie you would have to provide actual proof it’s never happened and never will happen, which you can’t do.

no, not in wow,

Yes, still in WoW. Either actual numbers to compare or official statements saying as such, you don’t get to declare one race or races are the majority because you want to.

it don’t need to have number to show then as minority.

LOL you really really do.

you can simple work with basic logic and ingame information.

Which I have been.

i know it snot your fort, but come on.

You’re the one stating with pride that you don’t need numbers to determine majority and minority of populations.

pretty sure you do the blood oath to sylvanas so you can go to broken islands first.

Demon Hunters skip the Broken Shore scenario, they are introduced with Vol’jin’s funeral.

i never did, you are the one saying about battlegrounds and the size of cleft of shadows.

You repeatedly state classes are different between game and lore.

the fact that they are evil, and the horde not wanting evil races.

I’ll just repeat the part you intentionally cut out, “And what Lore do you have to disprove any of the possibilities?” In addition to asking for proof that they are inherently evil.

totally true, all the dks came from the ebon blade

And the Ebon Blade don’t have published numbers or a limit on how many Death Knights they can have so I have no idea how this refutes what I said.

showed to not be so easy since dreven feed on horde lives.

We can’t work with any Orcs, Garrosh bombed Theramore. Rather silly stance to take.

and various good forsaken and literally not a single one good sanlayn.

Provide receipts that there are no non-evil San’layn.

few is too few, 90% of the race is exterminated, 30% flee to outland from dalaran, blizz know how many of those 30% travel to nortrend, but seeing TBC it was not that much.

Again, none of those are actual numbers.

until now, im deducing the elves have not brain damage to want to be a death monstrosity with a curse that hunger with lives.

And yet we have Void Elves.

in what?

Making San’layn, empowering them, lots of things possibly, we have no idea the extant of what those orbs are capable of.

this is not reason

“We need allies” is a reason to recruit allies.

if that so we could start recruiting demons and other nonsense races.

We have Warlocks, and the Illidari have the Shivarra so…

as for “nonsense races” we are for a fact getting more Allied Races, so we could get anything.

we already have tons.

Yeah absolutely no one has a “no more magic” quota.

they are true…

You don’t write for Blizzard, your Headcanons are not truths.

the spam posts pretty much implies that.

What spam posts?

why, with what purpose, from what reasons

good questions!

nothing make sense.

The Recruitment Scenarios we play through clear this up.

that just show why we don’t need sanlayn as allies.

That they require a Recruitment Scenario… like every other Allied Race?

one theme “fit” then and all the other don’t, sot hey actually don’t fit the horde.

“Typical monster races shown as outcasts working together as family” is the de facto theme for the Horde, Shamanism is not.

now thats a assumption, it snot everyone who want then.

Literally EVERY single person that wants San’layn wants more Lore from them.

pretty sure your fanbase is lower than the HE one, with so much support exactly because of then.

There’s pretty much no interaction between the two.

Blizzard can’t retcon something you are making up.

lmao, of course they can, its their game.

… think about what you just said.

moira said hi, tons of dark irons before, void elves don’t even existed to be villains and raid bosses, and zandalari helped us before they became enemeis in vanila

Moira is not a ton. Void Elves didn’t exist at all until BfA. Zandalari were one of the main antagonists in MoP.

But seeing 6 evil San’layn means it’s completely impossible for non-evil ones to exist or to even work with them.

so? all the races i said and no sanlayn at all?

Just because you’re asking for it doesn’t mean the majority are, again this is why actual numbers are important.

cause all those races are being asked, and all of these are thematic, more thematic to the horde than vampire elves.

That’s an assumptions you are having, merits for each of those races are being made in their individual threads.

the aprill’s fool joke about elves clearly show that even blizzard had enough of then

Pathc 8.2 says hi.

they do have a word with me but most of the vampires there are humans not elves.

Vampires are all over the place in DnD and Pathfinder, of all manner of races.

exception to the rule say hi.

That’s a LOT of exceptions.

and what is funny on exception is, they don’t are frequent, and don’t happen all the time.

The 4 I gave kinda disputes that.

because they can’t just throw random lore with no sense.

Void Elves say hi.

their best shot is a expansion based on nortrend and the return of the LK.

Maybe they can flesh out the old kingdom as well, that’d be neat.

sure

If you want the other AR threads to seem vibrant actually positively contribute to them, if more people are positively engaged with the potential option and contributing then yeah it stands to reason that they are more popular.

i already did.

Good, keep at it.

and an elf

I was being literal, Zandalari was the last one added for us.

there is 2 trolls and 4 elves in the game,trolls is more thematic than elf withing the horde.

Blood Elves have been with the Horde since The Burning Crusade so not really.

[Virden-moon-guard (Virden)]

Who is “we”? You are one poster. And unless it breaks rules, people are free to post more threads about why something won’t happen in their opinion. Also, people seem unable to grasp this isnt a thread saying to not add San’layn. It’s a thread saying why they probably won’t be added, its not the same thing. People seem to be commenting who haven’t read the thread, much like people who see a article’s topic and don’t actually read that article and then comment based on the title alone.

[Laeth-hakkar]

Also, people seem unable to grasp this isnt a thread saying to not add San’layn.

That is literally what it is.

[Terranox-stonemaul (Terranox)]

We didnt see Slyvanas kill Greymane’s son. He still attacks us cause of it xP.

[Ronzonai-area-52]

Because Blizz won’t give Alliance High Elves.

I don’t care about the matter personally. I just wish Blizzard would do the no-brainer option and give Horde Sanlayan, and Alliance High Elves if only to bring all the annoying Darkfallen/HF posts to an end.

[Terranox-stonemaul (Terranox)]

I remember making dark iron threads as subraces since like in Cata. Undead elves were also a subrace I advocated for and Zandalari.

They admitted to making the story change via player requests. They tend to hint things coming in the patch and expansion content. Azsuna hinted both kultiran and zandalari.

Nearby the gilblins makrura undead and gilneans. All relating to 8.2.

Cata hinted at demonhunters a few patches back.

The Sanlayn joining could be hinted for a new patch or expansion. I think blizzcon could be the ideal time to show the batch of allied races. Similar to showing new maps and heroes in Overwatch. Overwatch and Diablo will probably get big news if the leaks are accurate.

[Virden-moon-guard (Virden)]

You are free to think that but it is not.

[Laeth-hakkar]

It quite blatantly is.

[Dumbledore-wyrmrest-accord]

I agree with Laeth

[Autai-moon-guard (Autai)]

The Sanlayn joining could be hinted for a new patch or expansion. I think blizzcon could be the ideal time to show the batch of allied races. Similar to showing new maps and heroes in Overwatch. Overwatch and Diablo will probably get big news if the leaks are accurate.

I ‘kind of’ expect them to include Sanlayn as a customization option for Blood Elves. Night Warrior obtaining style.

Also, i’m surprised to see the debbie downer thread is still going strong.

[Foxhunter-altar-of-storms]

This thread a real waste of precious forum space. Normally I’d only hunt foxes, but today. Cranks up guns This thread is going down!

[Orlok-sentinels]

This thread a real waste of precious forum space. Normally I’d only hunt foxes, but today. Cranks up guns This thread is going down!

Then why are you wearing a wolf’s head skin?

[Foxhunter-altar-of-storms]

Slaps Orlok Upside the head Because I have the foxes stuffed at my personal hunter hall. Can’t have them getting all messy out at battle after all

[Kirakishou-proudmoore (Kirakishou)]

Well, if you say San’layn won’t happen, I say: my support for San’layn playable! (and Quel’dorei).

[Virden-moon-guard (Virden)]

Sounds an awful lot like trolling.

[Foxhunter-altar-of-storms]

Hmm. I don’t see any voodoo, shrunken heads, or mojo whispering shaman dancers around. Such a funny one you are.

[Kuwu-moon-guard]

They will not happen. Worgen getting tails would happen before the goths get their way.