I don’t really care if paladins come down or all other tanks get buffed. But we do need balance.
There’s always going to be a hard skewing bias towards one tank, one healer, and 3 dps at the top .1%.
Not saying it’s balanced, but there is a DH with a timed 17, Druids with 18s, and Warrior with a timed 17.
Regardless, at this point having 15s is within the .1%.
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Because their tuning is an actual joke that’s often massively off for months.
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I didn’t even know people were timing them that high LOL fing ridiculous
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In terms of tank meta DF season 1 and TWW season 1 are the same.
Warrior starts off amazing then gets overtaken by prot paladin.
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not for nothing but telling somebody to go sit down is basically an insult. And the last time someone told me to go sit down to my face, I knocked them out. So I would probably stick to the topic because when it comes to the lines of what is and is not an insult that’s a grey area You’re just not familiar with. As for this topic, I can’t believe y’all are doing math at this point.
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Wait why did you use mythic brood as an example of prot pal damage?
You know there is veng DH with higher numbers than prot pal for that fight right?
In fact, prot pal only holds 3 of the top 10 tank parses for that fight. There’s even a warrior and a dk in the top 10
I believe majority of the thread was talking about m+ anyway
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Idk if someone was claiming a tank was doing 1 million more than every other tank I’d say asking them to sit down makes sense cause they are being hysterical (and frankly misrepresenting the actual difference).
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Have you seen Prot Paladin’s ST damage? It’s like 200-300k lol
So on big pulls it looks great, but then we do a boss and the healer does as much as I do.
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Why are you guys all replying to the same guy who play paladin? Is that even meaningful conversation? Yawn
Telling someone to go sit in a corner is condescending and inflammatory. There’s no personal attack to it other than, within the context of the post, was about him having no place in the conversation because they knee jerk replied and was wrong. That person came in hot to start and I pointed that out a couple posts up.
I also didn’t even acknowledge their insult at first it was someone else which resulted in him pointing fingers literally saying “but he did it first” which is hilariously ironic considering the corner comment.
The entire premise of the topic is about numbers so why would it be unbelievable?
The thread title is about M+, he was arguing with me about M+, he brought up M+ logs, I actually linked M+ log numbers, he saw it didn’t match his argument so he moved goal posts to raid logs.
Then a whole bunch of stuff went down where they started trying to move goal posts saying they meant pull-by-pull numbers and not even the entire pull, just the burst damage. They tried to argue that the last couple mobs standing and the end of the pull doesn’t count.
It was a hilarious development to say the least.
You’re still talking about things that can be planned for ahead of time. Ability has nothing to do with that, it’s all preparation. PvE, regardless of difficulty or whether it’s M+ dungeons or some level of raiding, is still very much scripted content.
Well, I would stick with “calm down” or “settle down”. Even a good “simmer down”. But you tell me to sit down… things are about to get heated 
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The premise of the topic is to show where Paladins sit in relation to other tanks. Anyone with common sense can see a hyperbolic topic a mile away, unless they are on the spectrum and only deal in exacts… which is fine too. But I think we both know “3x damage of others” was hyperbolic bait. So yeah, someone doing long division to whittle it down to a 360k difference proving what we already knew is just wild to me.
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How can you sit there and claim that ability has nothing to do with it? It has everything to do with it. You can “prepare” all you want, but the limiting factor is your ability. Ability determines your capabilities and how big the pull can be.
I don’t know how you can say they were being hyperbolic when they literally argued with me saying Paladins do 1 million more dps than every other tank and tried to bring up logs, sims, and target dummies while being wrong about it?
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I completely agree, but I would also say they need to nerf warriors.
Warriors hp pools, and overall mitigation is far too good. They also need to remove battle shout, there is no reason a warrior should bring that big of a buff as a tank.
They need to remove 2 of your charges, and your leap because your mobility is too good on the battle field.
Oh and the spell block they need to remove that, you already have a spell reflect which is amazing in most situations.
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Because PvE is scripted. You know exactly what you are walking into whether it’s a normal, heroic, or M+ dungeon. There are no surprises.
Ability is about reaction in undefined situations, so PvP. So, if you already know what is coming, PvE, there is no ability involved as it is merely performing the actions you prepared to perform.
No it doesn’t. Your group make-up, which includes item levels and buffs available, determines those things. You’re trying to shoe horn “ability” into the slot for “capability”, which are quite different.
But based on your absolute responses to others in this thread, rationality doesn’t seem to be your strong suit so, keep believing yourself and ignoring the obvious. I’m sure it will work out well for you.
Yeah odd choice for them to pick Brood though considering only 3 prot in top 10. Other fights pally holds like 7-8 of the top ten logs, ulgrax, blood, rash, queen.
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It doesn’t matter if it’s “scripted”. The fights change every run because of timing. Encounters lasting longer because of x means cd usage changes situationally. Group comp also changes how big pulls can be. You have no idea what you are talking about.
If PvE took no ability and only preparation you would see much higher numbers getting KSH and CE.
You haven’t even touched M+, you really have no dog in this fight. The claim that you don’t need ability is so wild lmao.
How is that “shoe horning”. Ability determines what you are capable of.
Based on your lack of experience in this content you shouldn’t be talking about it.
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Someone doesn’t know what hyperbole is. They exaggerated the 3x statement to get attention, then they proved through math that is was barely 30-50% more, and not 300% more. It was a clickbait title to garner attention. Granted, the post was not laid out well, and in the end turned into bickering, but it was pure hyperbole. No one can make a factual statement that one tank is out performing others by 300%. Blizz would nerf-stick Pallies in an instant if it were even remotely true.
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