Why prot paladin is doing 3x damage of other tanks in M+ and aoe situations

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Really? We needed the rule book? :rofl:

I know what hyperbole is.

I understand that the title was clickbait, but they also sat here arguing with additional false claims and kept trying to move goal posts.

Report it I really don’t care, but if you are going to go on that crusade then apply the same standards for everyone else who makes things personal like the one who randomly called me a “liberal” in the context of using it as an insult and the one who compared me to a blue haired hysterical women. Double Standards.

Not going on a crusade, that’s a paladin’s thing

You are bringing it up and “calling to action” for others to report it. Which I believe is also against the forum COD. If you are going to report me for telling someone to sit in the corner then apply the same standards for everyone else who does the same or worse.

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Simply because you acknowledged what you did and you did it on purpose.
Seems a bit weird that you say you don’t care and yet, have been talking about it for 2 posts already.

How many times you’ll continue to talk until you start caring? I’m just trying to understand what is the measure. 2 posts you still don’t care or 3? Maybe 4?

I could sit here and tell you Druids are 3x bigger than Gnomes, and then say “Oh, well I only mean in bear form”. The basic fact is, you fell for the clickbait, argued with them cause you obviously love arguing, and then got mad (don’t deny it) and told them to essentially sit down and shut up instead of just giving them a “Have a nice day” and moving on. But, your issue is, you cannot admit to being wrong… at all… and the history of your 15k posts, and sub 10k achievement points is proof.

You need to stop worrying about being right, or having the last word, and start focusing on more adult stuff, like walking away and not stooping intellectually to deal with hyperbolic clickbait. That’s a nickel’s worth of free advice.

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I took having 60% twilight devastation in BFA on my bear for granted. Now I can only do damage during incarn. Feels bad.

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Not not all things are equal. So why even bothering saying that?

Your level of comprehension is showing.

The variety in way classes play and damage profiles will never let this happen.

There is, you’re just too simple minded to understand it.

Because Avenger’s Shield procs aren’t a thing?

Okay, first of all, damage isn’t even why prot pally is meta. Also, their ST is near the bottom for tanks.

The actual problem is the utility.

They bring:

  1. 3% damage reduction, an S-Tier raid buff.
  2. 2x poison cleanses with dispel and blessing of sacrifice.
  3. Good group utility with shields, offheals, sac, freedom, BoP, and magic BoP
  4. An absolutely ridiculous amount of interrupts with Avenger’s Shield

Had this before and they weren’t meta. It’s 100% the AoE damage right now why they’re on top.

Although the reasons you listed are why Paladins will always be great, even when they’re not “great”

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It’s damage.

They had all of the other things already and weren’t meta.

And it’s the same with every other role. Some people praise dps DKs for their “utility” that’s been unchanged from DF where they were one of the last represented dps specs.

Shaman utility is also unchanged, and they went from mid/bad in DF to great in TWW.

It’s about damage.

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DH is chaos dmg
BDK is shadowfrost
Monk is nature I think for Chi burst or Chi wave or whatever?

So it’s worse because I acknowledged it? Guess what, he also acknowledged it. Again, double standards.

Caring about what exactly?

Just like Henceforth you are applying double standards by addressing this specifically to me when it wasn’t just the OP who was arguing with me about it.

What kind of strawman is this?

Sorry that facts matter and you can take your own advice about walking away and having the last word.

Damage is the only reason why they are meta. If the utility is the problem then we would have been at the top earlier before the .0.5 patch. The patch didn’t add anything to our utility besides the extra dispel from Sacrifice. We were bottom barrel until our DPS got buffed.

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Ironfur is dumb. Druid tanks should just go back to being premiere psychical tanks with cds for dealing with other problems.

Also also bring back faerie fire feral

Almost like this person has never healed a tank before. Even now prot paladins are still somewhat squishy because there’s higher chances for gaps in mitigation whereas something like a prot warrior just doesn’t have that (near 100% shield block uptime played well, ignore pain on top of it, and both still off gcd).

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To be fair he did suggest removing aoe caps for all tanks and allowing them to get full aoe damage.

I’m not saying that fixes the problem, but it wasn’t just a “nerf or nothing” thread.

More to the point, I haven’t had a problem with my tanks aoe damage. I can hold aggro and the DPS still wipe the floor with the pulls, when I’m in dungeons. I typically stick to delves.

But I’m super casual so I won’t pretend I have a real leg to stand on.

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No it’s not. Go look at warcraftlogs lol.

The AoE is certainly good on prot pally, nobody is denying this, but DH is beating it on Broodtwister, the AoE fight, and if you look at pure ST then DK and prot warrior are kings.

You will always have 1 DPS spec that is brought to keys just to crank DPS, like fire mage in seasons past. It has to be one of the top performing DPS specs in AoE and ST and have good tankyness. That season the class is DK.

They bring a very good raid buff now lol. Also disc priest is overtaking shaman in keys.

Then why aren’t prot pallies gapping other tanks on mythic Broodtwister buddy?

Well you also have to be able to survive. Also in DF you ran Hpal and doubling up on raid buffs is banned in keys so ppl brought bear for MoTW.

If this were the case DH would be meta, as it does slightly more AoE dmg.

Pally has a combination of survivability, AoE DPS, and utility that is making it meta right now.

Maybe they needed more gear to make them sturdy enough in high keys?

Or maybe the utility was good but the damage was so garbage that it wasn’t worth sacrificing a bunch of tank dmg just for pally utility.

The damage for tanks is pretty balanced right now, just go look at logs for the raid. Pally is good AoE, near the top right behind DH, and close to the bottom for ST. This is the way things should be.