Considering the rewards are more substinal for the Mythic Raider I’d say thats highly disingenuous.
They need not be same on the immediate level but the Frog killer should be able to achieve the same level of success with time. Not shut out because the game offers them no other choice.
Something as simple as a currency system would work just fine.
The frog killer can get that same mythic loot when it goes legacy. Just takes time.
BFA raids are considered legacy that ain’t soloable yet.
Quests are designed in such a way that fresh 60’s can do them. If you never upgrade a piece from now until the end of the expansion, you’ll still outgear quests.
Thats rather absurd.
You’re being more toxic than the elitists. You’re almost geared to a heroic ilvl. You’re in full epics and you have a legendary. If you were playing the game when it was at it’s peak, you’d be in greens with a few blues and you’d need groups to get those blue quest rewards. Relax…you’re doing fine.
Lol.
At the end of the day, no matter what kinda content you’re doing - M+ or trade chat pvp - we’re all being lazy playing a video game.
Well, yeah, considering the mythic raider is doing the most difficult content in the game and the frog killer is doing some of the most literally trivial content in the game… I’d say that’s about right.
That’s like being mad that someone who works in fast food doesn’t make as much money as a CEO of a multibillion dollar company.
This whole thread is absurd.
What exclusive power rewards? Last I checked anyone can farm mythic raid gear transmogs pretty easily after the tier has passed, and you can solo them after the expansion is done. Your definition of exclusive and mine are vastly different, it seems.
Then practically every RPG ever stagnated their games because most of them have elements of reward/power progression for doing progressively harder content.
This isn’t new. WoW is primarily a group content game, were you not aware of this when you started playing? Complaining that WoW’s best rewards are gated behind group content is like me complaining that I can’t get Diamond rating rewards in League of Legends by playing Co-Op vs. AI games.
I’m sorry, but no game can cater to everyone. Pick the ones to play that cater to your favored playstyle or you’re gonna be in for some frustration.
No they don’t.
I mean it might not be long before people in general realize that dyanamic isn’t going to fly anymore. More and more time has shown us that rich people just hoard wealth and selfishly isolated themsleves from society, while the fast food works, janitors and essenital works toil themselves away with more debt.
Something has to break eventually, kinda like how WoW is falling apart since players can find better more freindlier gaming alternatives than having to deal with raiders who don’t want the common joe to be on their level.
I think it is very relevant considering the state of WoW these days.
Exclusive power rewards is the raid ilvl… the last bosses have the most ilvl in the game for mythic raiders they get the best power budget gear. Also still waiting to solo bfa raids which yea is why I want the gear next patch. More gear = more solo progress towards legacy.
All other content is already staggered/timegated so raiders don’t feel forced to do it, after they get world first it shouldn’t matter who get’s what ilvl gear imo. We should be able to enjoy the game the way choose. I made posts in threads above like making all pve gear upgradeable with valor and higher difficulty content rewarding more valor. That way everyone can work towards better gear and the ones who do the most difficult content will still get gear the fastest. You just hit a road block with casual gear and can never hope to reach others, and that always sucked for stuff like world pvp. Raiders for some reason get to be the best in wpvp? Why exactly?
League is centered around pvp. Wow has more then LoL. And I already mentioned to you solo systems in the past that gave competitive gear. But you somehow forget that… it’s not anything new to the game. You act as if I am suggesting something that has never been in the game.
WoW started going downhill once the gear just started being handed out. At it’s peak, you would be in all greens. You got what you wanted, and now you need to accept the consequences of that.
They seem to have found a balance in BFA.
Part of me didn’t like it but somehow I usually kept coming back to level new toons.
Shadowlands makes me dread even thinking about trying to level any of my other toons, knowing how many grinds are waiting for them at the top end.
Do you think people who work in front of a computer for a living are lazy?
BFA was better than SL, but that’s not saying much. If you want to talk about the decline of the game, it started when the sense of community ended. You can level 1 to cap and gear yourself in full epics and a legendary without ever needing a single person to help you. That’s when the game ended.
If you’re working - no. If you’re playing a video game - yes.
I think I lost my faith for this game back in…WOTLK?
I realised no matter how many buffs in Wintersgrasp I could get on DK I couldn’t fight all those hordes of Alliance on my own.
Giving casuals high level gear is exactly what exists in this game right now. What game are you people playing?
Go spend 20 minutes failing a dungeon key and get better gear than an entire heroic raid clear.
Knock it off… my god.
And whats wrong with that? Let me tell you exactly whats wrong with that. Go queue up for a heroic raid pug with anything less than 245 ilvl. You can seriously be maxed out on heroic raid gear with zero possible upgrades and STILL not get invited due to your ilvl being too low. Why does that happen? Because casual dungeon farmers get better gear than raiders do.
The casual gearing method being WAY better than raid gearing is becoming a massive problem for raiders. You fail a key and get guaranteed 252 gear? Not only that, but you get to farm drops endlessly AND can upgrade them to higher ilvl than raiders get? You also get higher ilvl drops from the vault than the actual dungeon?
Every single person in any raid queue with huge ilvls got that way from doing CASUAL, easier, less time consuming content. Period.
It has massively detrimental,objective, and verifiable consequences to other game modes.
If you want to continue to spoon feed casual players better gear for less, then you need raid currency to upgrade raid gear, or make raiding as accessible as m+.
There is a HUGE and undeniable discrepancy between the rewards of raiding vs m+, and given the equally huge discrepancy concerning accessability, it simply makes no sense.
Stop arguing for even MORE ways for casuals to ruin the game for raiders. Its already a proven problem with simple solutions.
But the time invested is the same and the effort invested isn’t necessarily different.
You can literally make a living while playing, either by streaming, winning competition prizes, or farming/boosting. Would you say someone who streams for a living is lazy?