Why not give Casuals high lvl gear?

I claim GD is wrong for 500. :sparkles:

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The fact of the matter is these clowns could get a full set of BIS upon log in and they’d still complain that they had to manually equip it.

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It’s a tiny bit better now that there is upgrade tiers every 200 rating but still just not a good system and a ridiculous grind even for one character lol.

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Even at 9/10M and 2500 io im still not even at 250ilvl lol…

Once you hit a certain ilvl you just smash your face into content until something falls out.

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yeah everyone looking for easy heroic gear should be doing this this week. i did mine this morning in a bit over an hour, at one of the worst possible times. got a 239 weapon for my baby mistweaver :sunglasses:

Rating locked basic conquest is bad period

Saying it’s good or has always been like that is outright denying the existence of mop and wod which were arguably the best era for pvp in wow, when random bgs gave bis conquest gear equal to arena

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Even the path is somewhat available to solo players if one is persistent enough. But things ive found over the years, myself included, is that there seems to be far more solo players than coordinated group efforts.

Maybe lock tier sets with their looks behind it, but the gear available to solo players would still render them “good enough” to be effective in that content. Otherwise to me, the game is removing a large demographic from that content that they (Blizzard) claim they would love for everyone to be a part of.

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Except you don’t need proof to know a fresh 60 can’t solo mythic Legion raids.

Oh yea I TOTALLY believe you…
/s

Because WoW is not an RPG game and progression only belongs to elite mythic raiders eSports fanatics. If you want a nice mmorpg game that respect casuals and provides lots of interesting content, Endwalker is right around the corner.

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What are you even talking about? No one ever said anything about a fresh 60. I said casual players can get high enough gear to solo Legion raids which is true.

Seriously you need a break internet break though, you’re way too mad all the time.

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I’m as casual as you can be probably. Why do I need mythic level gear to do world quests and lfr? Answer is I don’t. You don’t need amazing gear to do world quests and lfr. You may want that gear, I get it, but if you put minimal effort in then you get minimal rewards. And that’s the way it should be. These mythic raiders are very skilled and dedicate alot of time so they deserve some better rewards. I can’t put that much time into the game anymore so I shouldn’t be able to get those rewards. As is life… you reap what you sow. Your not “kicked to the curb” because your not getting handouts. Your just being paid for how much effort your putting in. Want better gear? Start mythic raiding.

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The thing is every player in game needs a progression system to get good gear. This can be handled in many different ways obviously.

I definitely feel the game can never grow or attract new players unless this is dealt with.

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You’ve yet to prove it.

Why does disagreeing with you mean I’m mad? You people…

Because simply not everyone who plays casually feels that way.
I’m repeating which I really don’t like to do but here we are.
If you feel you are being gated then do something about it instead of making similar posts over and over.

Personally I don’t feel gated at all nor do I feel I have to pay get get better stuff.
There’s plenty to do do get get decent gear.

So maybe instead of repeating yourself over multiple threads, just make it simple, play or don’t play.

But you need amazing gear to do casual, unrated pvp, and while you may not do random bgs, other casuals who play solo and like collecting mogs may like to do unrated pvp from time to time and shadowlands has made that nearly impossible for the casual player that only has a few hours to play every week and doesn’t already have extensive pvp experience from previous expansions.

That is a problem and while i know the OP isnt about pvp gearing, it’s not right to say that all casuals deserve bad gear because they don’t do group content. They used to get bis gear from solo content and it didn’t hurt anyone, and casual pvp was more fun for every party back then

Personally i see nothing wrong with having world bosses like Ordos and timeless isle celestials give raid tier set pieces once a week

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So your definition of content is raiding? You will be please to know that non-raiders as of 9.2 will be presented with another long drawn out grind for “purple” item level rewards that are basically green gear with a boost to the item level.

Gone are the chance for a socket or tertiary stats.

Non-raiders were not asking for more. We simply were asking what we were being given in Legion / BFA.

You also should be please to know that all those great content creators and “special” players that Ion worships got what they wanted.

Without the non-raiders $15 a month, would you be willing to pay $30 or $45 dollars a month to make up the difference? All because you had a baby about what item level gear was being awarded to a non-raider.

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Deterministic rewards over time as opposed to lotto rewards is the answer.

You play TBC as a casual right now and you can easily do T4 content and heroics for badge gear. Once ZA and T6 is live you still don’t even have to touch T5 or T6 content to get decent gear. You do the catch up raid and stop there, maybe grind out some badges for spots you can’t ever seem to upgrade and you’re done. Once Sunwell goes live? More badge gear and a new dungeon.

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Well, I would like to share my perspective only, which doesnt necessarily reflect anyone elses on this.

I’ve thought a lot about it, in what kinda or doesnt make sense, i’ve heard all the arguments for or against what i consider reasonable, for instance make solo queueing a thing - the first argument is usually “well if you wanted a single player game, go play one”.

I think what a lot of people fail to recognize is that like in any relationship, a 17 year relationship with a game is a LOT of investment and we (the now former hardcore raiders and now not so) no longer want to, have time to, have the capacity to deal with OTHER peoples schedules or the inevitable drama that comes along with it while still wanting to progress and enjoy the game.

It’s why i think there could potentially be options if Blizzard would open their minds a bit as far as solo play options whether that be “AI groups”, or scaled play that is tough, no doubt, somewhat like the mage tower back in legion, but a pathway that leaves everyone not yelling about “handouts”.

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Whales are already doing this for us anyways. If you’re a non raider and not buying tokens for boosts or shop items you’re not nearly as important as you think you are to the system. You are not the target audience for Blizzard.

The WoW playerbase has been on the decline for the longest time yet revenue continues to hold far more steady than the drop off should support and it’s because the WoW token, and other revenue sources, feeds them.

There’s a reason they pump out 6 month sub promos, collector and deluxe expansion editions, shop transmog/mounts/pets/toys, etc all while never increasing the sub cost.

It did hurt the tryhard’s feelings.

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