I don’t mind grinding but when everything becomes a grind it gets tiresome.
And if WoW turns into a Korean mmo I am leaving. I already quit a bunch of them because they don’t listen to their NA player base and keep putting stupid loli BS and race/gender locking classes. They remove content and don’t replace it with equally entertaining stuff. Sometimes even just removing content and leaving a void.
Good WoD and Legion dumped way to much gold into the economy and this whole turn ap into gold thing would cause the same thing. Maybe one day the mounts that cost hundreds of thousands or millions of gold will slow down.
That all depends on AK honestly with how fast ap costs ramp up.
Thats why AK exists
/shrug
BFA doesn’t have a lot of gold rewards which means that is not good for BFA content.
AK is weekly so yeah it matters.
AK isn’t going to help players catch up though because players will be ahead because of how AP is designed after you reach the softcap.
Seems like the definition of grinding has changed over the years.
When I think of a grind in a game like WoW I think of something like, “The Insane.” That to me is a grind.
Doing a weekly quest for a couple of months doesn’t really seem like much of a grind to me. It’s more like, “Playing an MMORPG.” There needs to be some sort of reason to log into the game for progression-oriented players. Otherwise, they lose interest in the game and come back for the next patch. Then, consume that content in a few days and log off again.
I’m not saying there aren’t grinds in BfA. Island Expeditions, are a grind. But it’s an optional one. The system is practically designed to discourage that type of grind til you die type of gameplay. You can grind til your eyes bleed in IEs, but you don’t need to. The system is designed to goad you into doing the weekly and then finding something else to do.
WoW devs backed off from grinds around the time they instituted the “Bring the Player not the Class” mantra. In a lot of ways, it was the downfall of the game for many people. While, the game became much more accessible. It became more about creating bite sized content that people do for pets, mounts, and toys. The progression mentality of the game took somewhat of a backseat to get in/get out 30 minute chunks of gaming.
Exactly. Both are faceroll entry level forms of content, and both are the only good sources of AP, something hugely important to modern WoW power progression.
AP should scale with the difficulty and nature of different forms of content so grinding entry-level stuff isn’t the only reasonable way to progress, but it doesn’t, so either you fall behind or you bore yourself to death to make sure you don’t.
It’s a bit funny that islands are clearly modeled off the Maw of Souls runs in Legion in terms of gameplay.
If we look at the history of WoW and the changes that have been made - it’s largely an account of how the devs have underestimated the player base’s willingness to engage in soul crushing repetition for a couple % increases in power/wealth.
Haha yeah.
I’ve been playing classic a lot and the number of people willing to:
Honor grind for rank.
Farm savage gladiator chain
Is much higher than I would have expected.
You mean like the never-ending conveyor belt of daily quests that MoP had and every one was whining about it being so grindy and mandatory? People will always find something to whine about in large numbers. MoP is one of my favorite expansions of all time, but I remeber how the forum was all throughout it. Nonstop whining galore.
This is why I’m unsubbing. I had a burning desire to play survival hunter. Leveled him and reviewed the daunting tasks ahead of me to get to where my rogue is.
Promptly decided to level a new character until my sub runs out only because I don’t have to worry about essences etc…whilst leveling.
Busy =/= paying for it. My money pays for the game, not my grinding.
Like pvp, dungeons, raids, transmog, pet battles, alts, classic, mount collection?
Whatever would we do without stupid grinds?
They reverted the MoP daily quest fiasco after player feedback. So why are they doubling down on it now?
Or, they’re not out of touch at all, and just know that people are so hardcore dedicated to this game that no matter how trash it gets there will always be someone paying for it.
I don’t agree with that.
They had to release multiple game time mount bundles within the expansion. It is clear that they can’t chase whales forever.
True. I remember being limited to 10 daily quests a day. Then, it was raised to 25, and oh how people rejoiced. Then, it wasn’t enough, and the devs were hesitant, but said, “Okay.” The limits were removed, and in came MoP. Oh… how the forums wept.
IMO, the devs’ crucial mistake was in gating other reps behind, “Golden Lotus” reputation. Which was initially something like 5 daily quests. And those quests eventually yielded to… more of the same style of daily quest. It was a very unfulfilling style of gameplay. The devs were quick to point out that this is what players wanted, but they were wrong. Killing 10 mogu day after day isn’t what they wanted. They wanted more things like the Argent Tournament or Isle of Quel’Danas / Firelands. They didn’t want glorified poop quests to unlock more poop quests. It was a true mistake to build MoP around daily hubs galore. There was so much potential. The Isle of Thunder, for example, was quite good. The Operation Shield Wall also was well done.
Many good ideas. But with the limitless number of dailies, for some players, felt overwhelming. People want options, but they need boundaries. As much as it hurts for me to say that, players are poor at content consumption. Gorging oneself on content typically just leads to burnout and becoming jaded.
Sure it would.
The one that 1: Was overblown and not really that bad and 2: Was removed after enough people whined about it? That one? Yeah, tell me how that edge case is worse than now. Go ahead.
No, they’re pretty out of touch.
I honestly thought this was a Vulpera complaint thread. Surprised I 100% agree op.
oh trust me… compared to something like black deserts, wow its still waaaaaaaaaaaaay better