We can only hope that Tyrande Whisperwind becomes the new Sylvanas, har har.
No seriously, you all deserve it for all the whining.
Who am I kidding, that’ll never happen. She’s got plot armor the depth of a bank vault door.
- Forsaken Mage, 2020
You really want to execute the Orc mother of 3 in Orgrimmar who has never left the city for the burning of Teldrassil?
Don’t reroll Horde!
I mean, we kicked in Puscilla’s front door, killed considerably more than three of her kids, and her. And no one’s getting especially tore up about that. Same difference.
Your argument doesn’t work. The alliance forse the horde to nothing.
Imagine, we both make a tradedeal and something happened(wrathgate in this case) and i said after this event: oky buddy, im done with your company and quit the treaty, explain it to me, how is this a forces situation to you, or a “i must do it” situation?
Intra-nation factions like the Horde are more complicated than a mere trade deal with a company. People can starve to death, and those people may fight you for your food, and may even be justified for doing so if you waste food.
So, then this ppl start a war, but!!! Thats in no way a forced situation.
And the horde as a political state is responsibyl for all the death ppl. In every war the horde starts. The horde as a state is 100% guilty.
Because all this events are done in the name of the horde. Moraly, the horde is done and the alliance can do everything from now, in reality we would call the horde a roguestate.
Like northcorea/iran
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Thats not how morality works. Morality can shift, people leave factions, people become redeemed.
Picture if the Alliance shifts in Morality to the point where it even wipes out whole Worlds of Innocents and sends their Souls into the most nightmarish part of the Void or freezes them eternally in Crystals of Pure Light set to inflict agonizing pain to the imprisoned at all times! How would the Alliance Posters react to this?
I would wonder if I slipped into a parallel universe.
Yes you’ve shifted between parallel realities. You’re ours now hehe. Don’t be scared though, it happens all the time to everyone, its just hard to notice.
You know, there’s an interesting example of how the WoW writing team’s thinking is all wrong about writing complex moral conundrums.
“Do they want revenge, or do they want to build a better world?”
In a proper story exploring these themes, the people who want revenge will justify it as building a better world. Because the Horde is in this world, and clearly the Horde makes it worse, so they should be removed from the world. But instead, characters who want the Horde gone are treated as crazed and sick. Their morals aren’t twisted in an interesting way, they’ve just “gone mad.”
Or Genn is just a grumpy old man and needs to get over his biases. Which is true! But it’s not interesting and it’s only going to end with either Genn going crazy or dying or Genn completely reorienting his worldview to Anduin’s. It’s a ham-fisted way of going about the story.
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What a load of rubbish, the invasion of Ashenvale was 100% evil and unjustified from the very start, so everyone involved in that was just as guilty as Sylvanas for what happened, especially those who actually helped with the catapults and burning of Teldrasill.
Not to mention the Horde kept waging war after what happened to Teldrassil, thereby condoning it. And don’t give me the BS that the Horde leaders didn’t know about Teldrasill until after the war like are you serious, even Zappy Boy is aware of Teldrasill during the invasion of Undercity
It doesn’t really make them appear less evil when they live in the world, so it’s not like it’s a sacrificing act because it benefits them. When Malfurion stops Thunderbluff from being destroyed in the Emerald Nightmare that is the Alliance saving the Horde to no benefit to themselves. Tell me when have the Horde saved an Alliance city or some other zone they had no personal stake in.
Aww come on man you cannot seriously believe this garbage. Alliance not bending over backwards for Horde demands doesn’t give them a right to commit genocide or even the flimsiest justification, this is victim blaming taken to the extreme.
And give me one example of this happening that isn’t the NE’s refusing to trade, seeing as the Horde aren’t entitled to anything in NE lands.
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i agree, i believe that this is another symptom of that pesky “ThIS iS nOT thE StoRY wE wANTed to TelL”
its obvious that book pacing they have plus their refusal to acknowledge and work with past developments does wonders to the current story.
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What story focus are you even referring to? What are Horde fans complaining about specifically?
Leave it to Necroxis to generalize an entire group of players and oversimplify a complicated topic in a purposefully vague way for easy internet points.
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You really don’t think these things through… I mean, I am posting from my Alliance character that I switched to. I was referring playing as Alliance. But you post some slogan answer (which wasn’t even true if I was playing Horde) that end up impling that Alliance characters have already committed racist murder.
Which is kinda true. There was a quest in Cata where you are suppose go and kill Goblins for no other reason than the quest giver had lost a son in the war due to another Goblin.
I guess the better question is what do Alliance posters mean when they say they have the right to commit genocide. From what I’ve seen it seems to be the right to kill any Horde (ie any member of a Horde race) without repercussions.
Well, It would be bad for the game for any numbers of reasons. But at least it isn’t claiming you have a right commit crimes against humanity, such a genocide.
Yeah, they kept saying that about Germany and the wars kept happening. But I guess it is credible for Alliance hawks to feel they need to defeat the Horde. Since they are blind to their own contribution to the situations.
But but genocide. It is evil. The people that do it are evil. And those who feel they have a right to do are the most evil of all.
Though if the Alliance as a whole decided to commit genocide, it would solve the question of who is the most evil faction.
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We can expect more about Tyrande, Aleria, Turalyon and Jaina …
I don’t think it is plan, if blizzard had any plans for this then the Alliance would had broken into many internal factions long ago.
It never made any sense that the Night Elves who Ashenvale should have been a big part of their civilization would simply let the Horde build not just 1 base, but 3 bases in Ashenvale (1 the west part, 2 mid part quest, 3 close to Org, the lumber camp). After the battle of Mout Hyjal the Night Elves would had told the Orcs that the Warsong lumber camp is not allow in their land & would not have let the Horde get so far west to build a base on the coast nor even one so close to the center of Ashenvale.
If anything the Night Elves would simply just trade the lumber rather than give the land for Orcs to control. The Night Elves were so strong that the Legion had some issues against & the Warsong had to get demon blood to beat so it made no sense. With the Orc taking lands in Ashenvale it should had spark a war & if the Nobles of Stormwind did not want to join, many Humans would had simply sided with the Night Elves because they wanted to kill Horde members.
We already know, no matter the alliance conflict that the alliance will never lose two of its leaders Anduin and Velen. So it really does not matter if we fight amongst ourselves cause everything will work out anyways. We need to have both Anduin and velen to battle the ultimate evil or shadow or w/e that dumb prophecy is.
please edit that i barely understood a thing
Please, you drew the line at subjugation, dont posture about being moral police.
also that is not an argument, you are just repeating ad nauseam and injecting your own opinions about morality and degrees of evil.
I wll say it again if i wasnt clear enough the horde already destroyed two mayor alliance cities, genocided the night elves, ignored a treaty they had with said elves, the only feasible option is to completely destroy the political entity known as the horde so our lands can be safe again no matter the cost because chances are they will genocide us again a third time and would kill us all if they had the chance.
I have made my position explicitly clear, put yourself on my shoes and please provide an alternative option then, also you tell me again how evil is genocide and ill just consider it a repeat of the same argument (if you can call that an argument) and ill ignore your reply, i tire of going in circles.
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