You referred to what my character had already done. In putting out some slogan level assertion that sounded nice, you hadn’t even bothered to notice I was referring to my Alliance characters. You ended up saying that it is too late for Alliance characters to not murder civilians. I pointed out there was truth in that.
“Please” yourself. I contrasted subjugation with genocide, since one is evil and that other might not be. I mean my point (the point I have made all along) is that genocide is always evil (regardless of any changing the subject on your part). And I am dismayed that calling genocide evil should be regards as being the “moral police”.
And if I keep repeating my self, it is because you keep trying to change the subject. For example, that the Alliance needs to "destroy the political entity known as the horde ". When you do that, I repeat my point to keep it from being deflected.
If you want to not go in circles, you should stick to the points at hand. That the Alliance doesn’t have a “right to commit genocide”, that such claims are evil in themselves, and that genocide is never necessary.
Your position is not clear at all. You started out by defending the notion that the Alliance has a right to genocide by calling it necessary. Now you seem to have switched to simply calling for some subjection of the Horde or something.
And that fact that you yourself refer to such possibilities as subjugation is relevant to my point, because it shows that genocide is not necessary, even if your assertion about the Horde being a mortal threat were to be true.
And no, again, I am not endorsing subjugation. I am not agreeing that your claim that you have a right to eliminate (or whatever term you want) is true. I am not addressing the subject you want to switch too at all. I am pointing out how you are showing that genocide is not “necessary”.
Yes man. I want to commit some atrocities on the Horde. You have no idea. Every time ‘Conflict between Horde and Alliance’ is brought up by Blizzard it is just a giant tease that never pays off.
I was actually referring to you by name in such a way to mirror how you made an assumption about Horde fans as if you knew them all personally. I think that went over your head, though.
I wouldn’t mind it causing a great rift in the Alliance where they break apart into to groups. I would appreciate to see that Human kingdoms split between interests due to poor leadership not seeking their objectives. The Worgens and Night Elves cannot rely on Stormwind to care for them any longer.
You’ll have those who believe in Anduin’s notions for peace. The Draenei, the Gnomes & Mechagnomes, and even Void Elves recognize the lack of war.
However, they are severely outnumbered by the number of races who have no desire or interest in the moral high ground. Night Elves, Worgen, Lightforged Draenei, Dwarves, even Kul Tirans don’t give a damn and see the Horde as kill on sight. For their lives meant nothing to them, why should they act differently?
Please show me a post where I have “defended the witch queen,” and I’ll politely explain to you why you’re wrong. They have deliberately written her to be indefensible.
I geninuely think anduin needs to become a netural leader or needs some varian in him after shadowlands. Turaylon is by far a much better canidate to be leader due to how interesting he is.
I mean, you’re probably right, but damn. This goes back to the TBC/Wrath/Cata “Everything important happened in another game.” Granted, it is better than “Everything important happened in a tie-in novel/comic book.”
Honestly speaking, is Alliance even really going to get much of an internal conflict in Shadowlands? At most it just looks like the extent of it would be Tyrande going rogue and maybe also Mathias Shaw, at least so far.
They seem to be setting up the Naaru as the next big bads, though, so maybe Turalyon turns bad and Genn Greymane becomes the next Saurfang who sacrifices his life to try and stop Turalyon and save Anduin’s life or something.
Blizzard doing a cinematic where Turalyon impales Genn with his sword sounds almost exactly like something Blizzard would do. It’s definitely possible that Turalyon is going to kill Genn Greymane for some reason.
I would hate for Genn to die trying to save Anduin. I would rather Turalyon just kill Anduin.
As for Alliance internal conflict I am all for it as long as it isn’t some hamfisted story that bends over backwards to make Anduin be right or the savior of the Alliance. Meanwhile making anyone who opposes him wrong. That is NOT what I want.
Him being a peace maker in a world where everyone wants to fight is fine. Him, being 18, leading an entire faction with no military experience and the story bending over backwards to fit his views and ideals while making other characters act borderline OOC to line up with Anduin’s beliefs IS NOT fine.
That’s what we got with BfA. The Alliance was written completely unbelievable just to fall in line with Anduin’s ideals, it was garbage. What would have been WAY more interesting was if someone else was leader of the Alliance, like Muradin, and Anduin was just king of Stormwind and he was working behind the scenes to work for peace while the High King wanted war.
Admittedly the odds of this are low and I’m probably just projecting my dislikes again, but part of me gets the feeling that this whole thing with Anduin is meant to damage him in some way to the point where he might give up on the whole peacemaker thing so he becomes hardened. Which would just wrap back around to “look at what you’ve done to result in this happening to poor Anduin.”
long answer: it was ok when he was the voice of reason beside varian, its absolutely abhorrent when he sacrifices troops for an attack to dazar alor then he listens to jaina when she goes “we shouldnt push the attack we should let them mourn” and nobody calls him on his bullcrap.
we will supposedly see him paying for the choice of being a peacemonger (i mean i aint buying freaking shadows rising to see him getting what he deserves, PUT IT IN THE GAME LAZY BUMS) however this story beats are slow as heck and in the meanwhile we are here eating a turd for a storyline that may or may not get brushed to oblivion because “its not interesting” or “its not the story we wanted to tell”.
One of my favorite parts of Shadowlands is that supposedly he has been kidnapped and been in the Maw for months, because time works differently in Shadowlands, being tortured. At least that is some consequence for his stupidity, instead of ending the war when he should have because “he didn’t want to be as bad as Sylvanas”, he now gets to suffer in the Maw because of Sylvanas.
I hated how he sacrificed all those soldiers as a distraction only to not press the attack??? What? How much sense does that make? What made it even worse for me was that he told Tyrande he wasn’t going to help her in Darkshore by sending troops, yet Tyrande still send troops for the Alliance to use in that assault! But Anduin just sent them to die needlessly. Unacceptable. Anduin can stay in the Maw for all I care.
i know but personally i dont think that has to do anything with the choices he made, we dont know if she wouldve died if he pushed the attack or didnt screw up the attack on lordaeron.
hes being punished to make her look more evil… i mean not that im complaining he can stay there for all i care.
