Because there is a large difference between being good at something and being prideful about something.
Major of those players you refer to actually belong in the latter category.
In english: People are snobby as hell when they get to that point because they won’t accept errors even if they are just normal errors that happen randomly. Such as life.
As for people attacking them…well that’s equally as bad I guess. Mind you not all are like this, just the minority that like to show it off in that fashion. Don’t like my opinion? That’s fine. It is mine after all
I have seen that but it’s extremely rare compared to the overall population. Some players are making it seem like it’s an epidemic problem that’s spreading like wild fire and that is just a ridiculous notion.
I dunno, you’ve seen me do it. People be in threads all going: “WE DESERVE X.” Elite mogs. That’s a good one. “Blizzard! Give us elite mogs back and make them purchasable with marks of honor! Stop catering to these elitest by inflating their egos over things that don’t matter! And gimme all my stuff!”
To which, my response is: “Uh. No? Trophies are trophies. If you’d like an elite mog, you should seek to earn one yourself.”
"No Shadina! You are TOXIC! And elitest! Imagine caring about pixels in a video game!"
Yep, I have seen it. I feel you though, recently I got called elitist for mentioning my GREAT dislike for the current forms of gear acquisition. Yes, the person that has not done any real raiding in 4 years is elitist. Sure, we can go with that.
I joke, yeah. I don’t get it. I’ve always been of the mindset where if someone asks for help - hell, if you came to me tomorrow and said: “Shad. I’d like to get good at rated arena, and get myself an elite mog.” I’d tell you to add my happy hindquarters and I will teach you everything I know and give it to you straight. But nope, big bad wolf here.
Yeah I know… I have seen you offer tons of people help, that’s why I think it is crazy talk if people call you toxic. You are blunt… totally… that whole NY thing, but I always always always see you offer to help people if they legit want to get better at something.
On topic of the OP as well - I think the other thing is typically striving for excellence, and being proud of said excellence upon succeeding is tainted by a negative stigma. The elite mog thing again, which is something I am vehemently against, is a good example.
If you, for example, was a god back in Cata and got 2200+, and one of the very first elite mogs ever to grace this game and bring forth the idea of a true trophy that you could display, I would fight tooth and nail for that to be preserved because it’s a trophy. To me, that makes sense.
Others (people who make those threads) feel that the preservation of one’s accomplishment through trophies is some kind of mental tactic to invoke a sense of anxiety and urgency to get something done (like Mage Towers). And that the people who did strive to succeed, and did so, are somehow wrong for enjoying that their accomplishment is / was time sensitive (which we all knew off the bat anyway).
Agree with all that completely. I would adamantly defend keeping it exclusive even if I would personally benefit from a removal of restrictions. I try to not to only think how things would benefit me personally. I don’t always succeed mind you… but I do try.
Most important part. This. I never took pvp seriously until Legion where I saw the first elite mog of the season and went: “Man, that’d be nice.” Then I ran into a buddy of mine and got close. “Man, that’d be nice.” turned into “I must have it.”
People need that fire right under their rears sometimes. Like, this is a thing you want. Strive to achieve said thing you want. Mage Towers, same thing. Here’s a really cool thing, but it’s time sensitive. You have lots of time. But you must do some effort to get the thing. “Blizzard bring back the mage tower, stop appealing to the elitests.” What?! You had so much time! I hate shenanigans like that.
There is absolutely nothing wrong with this. It is only when it creates a form of arrogance that causes some (i am sure this is not you OP!), to taunt someone for their perceived ‘lack’ of striving for excellence. If someone isn’t running the best gear, the ‘best’ build, or what have you and then someone scoffs at them for wanting to run content, you have then changed from personal excellence into elitist snob territory. If however, the better geared, more experienced, or excellent player provides strategies and help to the person who wants to get better, then that is good.
I have experienced both of these in the past. The elitist is almost narcissistic in nature. The skilled player seeks ways to help create a better group around them.
Nothing wrong with wanting to be good at WoW or anything else.
Who said it’s looked down upon? I think you may be confusing people’s attitudes with their achievements.
If someone’s a jerk and trying to pull a “I’ve done more than you in this video game, so your opinion means less than mine” then yeah, It’s gonna be looked down upon…that’s stupid.
That’s where the problem crops up. It’s perfectly find to give suggestions for how to improve. When you look down on a person and act like you are superior, people tend to get pissed off. Nobody likes being looked down upon. And unless you’re careful with your text, its too easy to come across as as a rude snob.
I remember back during Cata I couldn’t figure out why my DPS had stagnated. I knew the rotations, had the right stats, the works. Fellow guildy at the time was nice, took me aside, spent 20 minutes and gave me tips. Without being rude or looking down on me. He gave me small simple tips, but they were things I’d just never considered.
I thanked him for being a Good Teacher. He taught me without looking down on me.
You can tell a person he is wrong in a nice way, and you can tell a person he is wrong in a rude and insulting way. Whether he’s wrong or not doesn’t matter, the former will get better results than the latter.
While I’m not an advocate of saying someone’s opinion means less, it is worth mentioning that some people’s opinions can be uninformed. I’m a 2300 experienced priest. If a 1500 priest tried to tell me that something’s the case when it’s clearly not the case, and tried to use their 1500 experience as reasoning for it, they should be told that 1500 isn’t a good indication of anything.
It’s like people who weigh in on Master Looter but have zero raid experience that would even suggest they know anything about Master Looter in the first place, or have had some kind of guild interaction where Master Looter was used for that reason of benefiting your team properly.
I’m not saying anyone has any right to be a jerk, I’ll make that clear. Zero. Absolutely no one should just be a jerk because “Hurhur, I got 2200+ multiple times throughout Legion, hurhur.” But when someone is clearly saying something that is inaccurate because they are uninformed, they should be informed properly and - you know, nicely. Now if they listen or not’s a different story.
Yes. Happens often. Same deal with Master Looter. People weigh in on things they have no idea about and spout their opinion as fact. You see it a lot in those Elite Mog threads.
Elite mog thread maker: “Blizzard, getting an elite mog isn’t hard and you’re pandering to the elitests.”
Me: “Have you gotten one?” Checks information. “Okay, you’ve never gotten an elite mog, and your highest achievement is 1750 from 5 years ago. How can you say whether or not it’s hard?”
