They didn’t tell us until Shadow lands was announced that it was going away, a bunch of us spent time farming gold to get it (when others couldn’t be bothered) and now people are asking to have it brought back so they can have a chance to buy one.
Then, when those of us that have it balk at that idea, because we took the time and effort to gather enough gold to buy one, we are gaslighted into believing we are somehow “gatekeeping” them from something that was ultimately a limited time item.
While FOMO is problematic sometimes, there is also merit to giving people that invest time and effort to get something special a 'unique" item that cannot be obtained again.
Claiming “well I wasn’t around to do it” doesn’t give you special claim to the opportunity. I’ve missed lots of things in my life, both in digital and real form, and while it would be nice to have those things, I don’t feel entitled to them or an opportunity to get one.
“Limited time” needs to be honored for those that were present and did the work. If you claim otherwise, your entitlement is showing, and you’re gaslighting those of us that got one. Period.
I’ve missed lots of stuff in the past I would have loved to have had. Sometimes I didn’t even know about it, other times I knew but had other commitments. It happens.
Claiming they need to cater to your timeframe rather than you clearing your schedule to participate is a prime example of the entitlement we are discussing here.
People have been complaining about WoW’s dumb habit of content for a while now. Usually you’ll have people who was there 10 years ago say things to the effect “You should have been born earlier lol cry more”.
Now that we don’t have other things to constantly try and grab our attention in game, such as AP grinds, people have noticed how there is generally very little to do in game day to day and want more stuff to do. So imagine the shock when they realized that there is stuff to do, but it’s on a very limited shelf life and if you miss out, well get rocked.
It doesn’t help that when WoW tries to FOMO something it’s usually something that game could actually benefit from long term. It took years of consistent crying to get the Mage Tower back. Which would have been a fun challenge to do, especially since Blizzard could very easily lock it to level and ilvl so players can’t just cheese it. But it had to go away to encourage everyone to rush back and consume content before it’s gone forever. And then when it came back it was it’s missing (what I feel) like is the biggest draw to it, the artifact weapon appearances.
Pretty much this, but without the “I’ve worked for it” entitlement.
I didn’t get nor really want the brutosaur, since the no-lifing for it wasn’t (and still isn’t) worth it for a non-AH tycoon like me, but to outright remove it was a terrible idea.
They should just keep it there and update the price to account for inflation.
Guaranteed raid drop mounts being transformed into 1% drop ones (with due BLP) is what good “FOMO” should be like: you lose your certain shot but still get to work for it over time.
Everything else I can remember of rn is a terrible example of artificial scarcity.
SINCE WHEN have I been OK with the concept of ‘FOMO’?
I have always been against it. ALWAYS. You assume a statement like that claiming that whoever is reading wasn’t against it until now, but you have no idea what you’re talking about.
There was a part of Pandaria that I didn’t play due to health and personal issues. I really, really, really wanted the DK elite set (dark red), but because I wasn’t there at the time, I couldn’t get it.
Honestly? I didn’t buy War Within… I renewed my subscription ONLY to chat occasionally here on the forum. I log into WoW and leave within 5 minutes; there are so many things I want there that don’t happen, and FOMO is one of the things I detest the most here. What keeps me away from WoW nowadays is the PvP imbalance, the lack of new playable races (centaurs, ogres, gnolls, etc.), and of course, old items NOT coming back to be farmed in some way.
I’ve never liked the idea of people having something that others can’t access (or can’t access anymore) - why? Because it’s nonsense. So, someone was born in 2014, now they’re 10~11 years old and can’t get old stuff because they weren’t born yet. Isn’t that wonderful?
I’m 33, but I see many other examples - new people, or recent players, people who only discovered this game after Legion, etc… there are several possibilities of people who missed out on old stuff.
“But what about the effort of those who…” - most of them don’t even play anymore. If they play, they don’t use those items anymore. If they do, a very small range of players knows or sees them using it. There’s still no sense in that.
I’m willing to take a wild guess, that you either don’t have a job, or you’re one of the privileged people who have an easy job and/or few responsibilities outside of the job? It’s easy to say that kind of thing when you don’t have responsibilities that need taken care of.
I’m not asking for them to “cater to my time frame”, I’m asking them to not make an entire game mode (unnecessarily!) limited-time or at least make the time limit on it something reasonable.
It’s a whole game mode that will take a significant amount of time for anybody who’s not a no-lifer to actually get anywhere in. And what’s worse, is that progress is reset upon the ending of the event so it’s not like you can wait around for it to return and “pick up where you left off”.
The kicker is, I’m not even talking about a stupid mount. They’re putting in the dev time to release a whole new game mode, and way to earn transmogs and stuff, they’re going through all the trouble of doing that, and giving WoW players a new way to have fun in WoW, and…
They’re making it limited time.
Why? Who the flip knows. It makes no sense. Nothing about this says it NEEDS to be limited-time. And they don’t even give us any kind of time-frame of what they are thinking. Like “we’re thinking 3 weeks” or “we’re thinking 6 months”, because it’d be nice to know if I should allow myself to get excited for this, or if I should just say “F it” and don’t bother even touching it because I won’t be able to get anywhere in it anyway. Such lack of transparency is stupid.
It’s just like Timewalking… and nearly everything else they add to the game. On paper it sounds awesome, but they always have to do something mind-numbingly stupid to drastically reduce how awesome it could have been if they didn’t make such poor decisions. They don’t want you having actual fun when you want to, doing what you want to.
no, you should be an adult and accept that you can’t and won’t have everything you could possibly want. being a grown up means making choices every second of every day, and accepting the consequences. i choose to work today instead of taking the day off, and as a result i miss out on going swimming with my wife or whatever. i choose to make steak for dinner tonight; as a result i miss out on having chicken.
What do you have to gain by supporting the limited time nature of Remix?
Or are you here just to argue because you wanna argue for the sake of arguing?
I think it’s rather unreasonable to say “you can’t have everything you want” in response to them releasing a whole game mode that’s such a limited time event that it’s unlikely that anybody that has a job and a decent amount of RL responsibilities would get to enjoy something they’re paying for.
That’s a rather ridiculous and childish take, to be quite honest.
and i think this is a ridiculous take. i have a great career and plenty of RL responsibilities and am looking forward to enjoying this mode while it’s available.
because somebody has to push back against the growing tide of “i want everything, now, for free, or else” around here
I have a job that varies from day to day how long I work so sometimes I have a bit of extra free time, but I also work 6 days a week and have a whole family to take care of so I have to find time to do my gaming when I’m not doing stuff for them.
When something is coming I want to do, I carve out the time I need to accomplish it and set things up ahead of time so my family has their needs met
Also: did anyone say anything about quitting your job? No? Nice strawman there.
Maybe instead of the entitled attitude you’re putting off, try planning ahead. Yes, you’re planning your life around a video game and you’ll have to decide whether that’s a good use of your time or not, but that’s a personal decision only you can make.
However: acting like they need to work around YOUR needa is the absolute height of entitlement.
You either have the time available or you don’t. Get used to the idea you may miss some things in life. I’ve missed a bunch of things I would have loved to have participated in or bought or whatever, but whining about it doesn’t change anything.
Where did I say I want “everything, now, for free, or else”?
I said I want to be able to enjoy the game mode without having to rushrushrushrush and/or feel guilty if I don’t log on as much as possible, or I’ll feel regret when it ends and I wasn’t able to have enough time to enjoy the event?
Why is that so hard for people to understand? Limited-time events create anxiety and leave you with guilt if you aren’t able to log on or you run out of emotional energy to log on, like I’m not always in the mood for WoW every single second of my free time. But here’s this LIMITED TIME ONLY event that is pulling at me to log in even if I don’t really feel like it.
Then it goes from fun to being a “MUST DO OR ELSE YOU WILL MISS IT” which is one of the reasons why I actually stopped playing Dragonflight because like, I’ll play and then after a week’s work, the next patch is already being talked about, it’s like “sheesh, could we have some TIME to get stuff done? No? Then why bother, because I’m always perpetually behind” …
There were quite a few things I didn’t get to do in MoP that I would liked to have done, and this Remix thing sounds awesome.
But no, they also have to make it limited time… and I wish they’d tell us what kind of time-frame they’re thinking.
You said:
Implying the job is the problem and that I should fix it, therefore, I should quit my job.
EDIT: I’m not even asking for them to CHANGE anything, I’m asking for them to CONSIDER people who don’t have a lot of free time, and I’m asking for them to TELL us what they are thinking. If it’s too short, I’ll probably just not bother even allowing myself to get my hopes up that I could have fun in WoW. It would be nice if a blue would say 'we’re thinking (x amount of time)" even if it ain’t set in stone, that would at least give us some idea of what they’re planning.
not trying to be rude in any way but it sounds like you have general issues relating to anxiety and “missing out” that go far beyond this game. i would like to recommend therapy if you have the time and means to do so – it’s a lot of work but it’s worth it. there are a lot of good tools they can provide to help relieve the guilt/anxiety/fear.
The easiest way to relieve anxiety is to just cut it off entirely, which is what I’ve done for a few years now.
I would like to enjoy WoW, but they act like the majority of the playerbase are people living in the basement, who dump 40+ hours a week into the game. This game does not respect your time, whatsoever.
Therefore, I haven’t been playing it much, because I don’t let myself get excited about anything in WoW anymore. every time they announce something that would be fun and awesome, there’s always gotta be that “BUT…” that ruins the whole thing.
Such as no LFD in Wrath until 80% of the way through its life cycle. I so much wanted to do Wrath but they killed the one thing I wanted to play Wrath mainly for right out of the gate.
There’s always gotta be a “BUT…” attached. They can’t just release something awesome and let us have fun at our own pace, no. Of course not.
EDIT: Would also like to point out that I highly doubt I’m the only player around who has given up on even trying to feel excitement about the game whatsoever. This is not healthy for the game in general when you have a bunch of players put off by FOMO or content being obsoleted way too fast and/or “limited time events”. People don’t like it when a game acts like an abusive girlfriend trying to DEMAND as much of their time as possible.
I get wanting to develop content to keep players happy, but you can do that without the “limited time” BS. The tiers flying by so fast, whatever, I can always come back and farm that stuff later when its solo-able. But the limited time events stink.
It wasn’t like this back in original Wrath, Cata, Pandaria… other than raids which I had no guild for (because of my variable work schedule back then), I was able to get pretty much 99% of all solo content done.
But, around BfA or so, they started just dumping crap on, and BfA and SL stunk so I took hiatuses and now DF is like “we’re going to shove content down your throat so fast you have no hope of keeping up with it all!”
EDIT: Heck, during Pandaria, I was able to level some 15 characters because I ran out of things to do, and had the majority of them maxed out on Timeless Isle. Now, obviously that kind of content drought is not healthy for the game either, but… now, DF feels like this massive dump of content that you’ll never get to finish. Shadowlands felt similar, with the tons and tons and tons of unlockables requiring massive amounts of anima that it felt absolutely impossible to ever collect everything in a reasonable time frame so I gave up on it.
Which is why I am so against Remix being limited time.
1). There’s no need for it to be limited time. Just let it in the game forever, and let players enjoy it.
2). Why break the tradition of not removing content now?
3). We don’t wanna wait months to a year for it to come around again, nor do we want to feel like we have to 24/7 WoW every other month to get a chance to unlock some stuff.
4). I don’t need to be creating 500 alts to try and get all of Pandaria stuff unlocked, plinking away at it a little at a time before my character gets shunted to Retail and I have to delete and remake the next time Remix comes out, ASSUMING it’s a seasonal thing that will return (they never said it would return at all, I don’t think).
5). That’s a lot of development effort to dump into something that’s only temporary/only available for small amounts of time. It doesn’t seem good to dump so many resources into something that would barely get utilized.
