The original devs? You mean the ones who added CRBG’s in vanilla? And tried a couple iterations of a LFG Tool in vanilla and TBC before finally getting it right in Wrath?
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Yea it did actually. You and the guy below have no idea what happened during Wrath and how there was a mass exodus of the original Blizzard workers. Thats why the game became so different right after mid Wrath and that is why things began to change to become completely different. Most of the people who made WoW left during that time.
That was the largest walkout of original WoW creators in Blizzard history.
by the time WOTLK was released trade chat was already troll central so plenty of people where chatting in it, also you say hitting 1 button zero social like its a bad thing not everyone who plays this game has friends not everyone is good at socializing with others that doesnt mean those people dont and shouldnt enjoy the game, what nobody wanted was to stand in LFG chat spamming how they are looking for a dungeon for hours and not getting a single reply or whispering people looking for other and not getting invited, everyone wants to run dungeons and the RFD tool provided players with that option without having them be excluded anymore
Oh you mean CRBG’s weren’t added in vanilla? There weren’t multiple attempts at a LFG in vanilla and TBC?
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You’re a very confused individual, but okay, I’ll bite, go on, link articles from the time of this happening.
This is the most nonsensical attempt at an argument I’ve seen on the forums in quite a while.
Obviously changes are ok with them. This has been clear from the start. Buffs to classes are far, far from the first changes they’ve made.
There’s just no correlation between their attempts at class balance and their reasons for removing RDF.
Well yeah, their attempts at class balance is at least based on reason.
I’m just saying, the OP’s argument is awful and makes no sense. They’ve already said why they don’t want to add RDF. Class changes have no relation to that reasoning whatsoever.
Not gonna disagree, however, H+ is a direct correlation of a missing RDF in attempting to accomplish the same goal of keeping heroics relevant throughout the expansion.
And that’s working out well 
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I don’t really think that’s the goal of RDF. I think the goal of RDF is to make grouping easier, especially at low levels and on low pop servers.
I also don’t think H+ is good though.
If this was the case they would’ve excluded heroics from it.
But yes, the primary goal of RDF was obviously to make grouping easier.
And it did. And kept heroics relevant for the rest of the expansion.
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My data is the current classic right now. If RDF is truly what peoplr want, then people shouldve unsub a long time ago. But they didnt. Classic is still populated and still going strong atm without RDF. Old school players are actually enjoying the game because they didnt add RDF.
The fact that classic is still going strong is proof enough that og players do not want RDF.
Its common sense that you never play a game you dont enjoy. So the reason why OG players are still playing classic is because they still enjoy the game and RDF is not in the game. Blizzard can see this thats why they chose not to implement RDF. Again, why would a big company like blizzard implement something that will kill their game? Blizzard have made bad decisions in the past but i dont think they are dumb enough to listen to small loud minority if it will make the majority quit classic.
If RDF is really neccessary as how you are pointing it out to be, then classic should be long dead by now because people are smart enough to know not play a game that they dont enjoy. Unless i am giving the mental capacity of those who want RDF too much credit and that they are actually pretty bad at the thinking department that they still playing a game that they dont enjoy anymore lol. I highly doubt since i think noone is that stupid though.
Classic still doing amazing right now is proof that we dont need RDF and RDF will just ruin MAJORITY of the players enjoyment.
Blizzard is definitely right on this one. Catering to the majority instead of the vocal minority
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That’s black and white thinking. We live in a much more complex and nuanced world with multiple shades of grey. But simple minded people like simple explanations. There are many changes made to the game that diminish many players fun but may not raise to the level that causes them to unsub. I doubt that any of those arguing against rdf would have unsubbed if it was added. That wouldn’t have meant the majority wanted it added.
You have no clear picture of how many people are playing only classic, both classic and retail, or only retail. You have no idea how many have unsubbed because they removed rdf or for any other reason. You have almost zero data and it’s ignorant to claim you do. I know that at least a few dozen people have quit because there is no rdf. But I don’t have any exact number. Neither do you.
I have never played a video game that I 100% liked. I’ve always had to weigh the good and the bad. After that cost benefit analysis if the good parts of the game out weight the bad I’d make a decision if I was going to continue to play the game. That’s the common sense way people evaluate games. Perhaps you love everything about every game you played and as soon as you find one thing you dislike you quit. If that’s the case you’re out side the norm.
Some people claim rdf is necessary. It might be for them. I’ve don’t make that claim. I believe it vastly increases the fun in the game with almost no down sides and increases players involvement in the game. Classic has mostly become a raid loggers game.
Frankly you are extremely bad at the thinking department. The removal of rdf can cause many problems that don’t rise to the level of unsubbing. A lot of people don’t like solo leveling and don’t like looking for a group. So they stop leveling alts and just raid log. It diminishes their fun with the game and it’s not good for the game.
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Hmm you say a lot of people want rdf but cant back it up. The vocal minority on the forums is not a lot.
Also, if a game dissapoints me to the point of having to go to their forums and cry even knowing that i am in the minority who wants the change, then yes i will just stop playing it. There is no point in asking a game to change if only a few people want that change. I just accept the fact that its not meant to be and move on. I wouldnt go demanding changes that will lead to a game alienating the majority of its population.
Its stupid to play a game you are not satisfied with since there are tons of game out there.
Majority of players enjoy the game and is busy playing the game thats why RDF isnt really a game changer.
Just look at all the changes they made in classic. The class balancing for example, they changed it because majority wanted it. Rdf on the other hand, majority dont want it.
Lol. If they didn’t use them it’s because they already had guild or friends groups to go…
I don’t actually say that. I say there is no objective data we can use to know what is the majority opinion. You say the majority doesn’t want rdf but can’t back it up.
No one knows who is the majority for rdf. But even when I guessed I was in the minority I’ve complained. I guessed I was in the minority on multiboxing but I still complained. Then blizzard did exactly what those complaining on the forums asked for. Not to ban multiboxing but to ban key repeater software. So even when you guess you’re in the minority you could still get the change you want, or it’s possible I was in the majority.
The fact is you’re clueless about what most of the players want. How many people play classic only, retail only, or both? You don’t have a clue. Which version had the most players, Vanilla classic, BCC, or wrath classic? You don’t know that either. How many players have quit classic over the 3 versions of the game? How many have quit since blizzard announced they were removing rdf? How many listed rdf as the reason when they unsubbed? You don’t have even this basic information. At the very least you should have answers to those questions before you start flapping your pie hole about what the majority want.
Only blizzard has the answers and they haven’t released any sub information since WoD. No one knows what the majority of players want and I never claim to know. You just look like an idiot when you claim to know what the players want.
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No one cares what the top players do. We don’t care about their server firsts. We don’t care about their elite gear and we don’t care how quickly they got it. We don’t care about their speed runs or how they beat the server record by a minute or two. We don’t even know who these players are that got some record for something they did in a video game. Casual players make up 90% of the player base and all the casuals care about is their game play and the game play of the other casuals they play with. The hard core and elitists might be full of themselves for what they accomplished in a video game but they can all go ef themselves for all we care.
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This is some next level crazy.
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Its hard to get through that thick skull of yours. Idk if you have full grasp of the english language or youre a foreigner so you dont get what i am saying.
Anyway I will try to break it down and make it as simple as I can so you can maybe understand it.
Classic right now without RDF is still going strong. Lots of players, lots of people to make friends with, lots of players to group up with and do content with. Theres absolutely no reason for blizzard to fix something that is not broken. RDF will not fix anything since nothing is broken in the first place.
The fact that people are still playing classic means they are satisfied with the game and do not want RDF, because majority wanted RDF, then the game wouldve been dead right now but it isnt. How did I know that majority do not want RDF? Simple, because they are still playing the game. Nobody in their right mind or with the proper mental capacity would play a game that they are not satisfied with. If majority wanted RDF, majority shouldve stopped playing the game already.
It is very simple to see that RDF wont make the game better so whats the point of blizzard wasting resources on it?
There are no advantages rdf will bring to classic’s current state. It will only hurt the majority who are enjoying the game right now without it and making proper connections with other players when running content.
You keep asking me how do I know that majority do not want RDF? The answer is there, the fact that people are still playing the game. If they wanted rdf they wouldve stopped playing a long time ago.
You play a game because its fun. You dont play a game just to be disappointed and cry in the forums to make changes that caters to minority.
They are a Faerlina poster. Their server could be good. For, cough, horde…their alliance levels heavily in CTA BG weekends lol. We talk with them in BG. Same for whitemane alliance.
When you see a unicorn you just have to talk to them, lol.
Now me, I can tell you how many people were in OB felwood from about 0300 to 0500 california time Sunday. It was 1. Me. I wanted more tbh. Some of those quests you’d like a 2nd person to deal with spawn rates better. Even if not grouped they’d make egress go smoother.
Killing 20 satyr to go in then killing the 20 respawns on the way out gets kind of boring lol.
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