Why increase the gap between raiders and m+ers again?

I have some on one of the heroic awakened raids, but haven’t raided mythic for a long time. Could search up daboba-ravencrest for bfa and daboomkin-ravencrest for Legion if you’re that interested.

I just got back, and didn’t really want to do scheduled raids this time around. M+ is more casual, and doesn’t require a weekly commitment of 6-16 hours on somebody else’s schedule. Plus, whatever else I need to do as part of a raiding team.

As far as the change the OP is talking about, I don’t know anything about it, but wanted to explain my thought process for not wanting to raid this time around.

Note: I will probably raid anyways, because I won’t be able to help myself.

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Be careful, you’re going to summon the wrath of Brewa with this comment :smiley:

They basically made it so that the gear that drops from m+ is upgradable to 626 while the gear that drops from mythic raid is upgradable to 639. The difference being 13 ilvls, this was only 6 ilvls in DF. Also, they made crafted items 629 which is 10 ilvls behind fully upgraded myth gear when it used to be 3.

You have 5 kills logged on 4 bosses on heroic vault and one boss logged on heroic abberus.

None of which are really flex worthy for the level of play you’re claiming. Especially the 76 ilvl parse on assault

It explains your not understanding of the mythic raider experience or the fact that mythic raiders are forced into mplus.

The assault one was me being undergeared without ashes where we killed the boss in 40s.

Anyway I’m not claiming to be the best raider of all time, but you wanted to see logs so I gave you a few names to look up. The majority of my logs are purple and orange on mythic. Yeah, I’m not parsing 100ths on every fight, but I honestly don’t really care what you think since I’d probably run circles around you.

Yes, this was averaged out.

As for cantrips, they add extra power themselves, but they follow the same general formula.

Using the stats on a Tome of Unstable Power (random item), an ilvl 496 version has 952 int. Increasing it by 3 to 499, brings the stat to 979 int. 952*1.03=980 (the exponential function clearly gets rounded at certain points because stats are only allowed to be given as integers).

You parsed 96 on assault and then parsed 76 by ilvl. Which means your damage was carried by gear and you made rotational mistakes.

Do you not understand the difference between a parse and ilvl parse?

I don’t care about heroic logs from
Old expansions.
Asmon was an orange parser in legion and he’s absolutely awful at the game now.

I mean that isnt really how parsing works and I wish warcraft logs removed the feature.

How well you parse matters almost as much on your group as it does yourself. Ive no idea why wow players obsess over it. Ive even seen it leak into ce guilds.

Your parse isn’t a very good metric for how well you are doing. Its alright as a at a glance metric only.

Do they still have normal, heroic, and mythic raids? How does M+ compare to the gear from those raids? Is gear for M+ scaled past 15 (can’t remember if it ever was scaled to 15)? Not a lot of people were doing Mythic raids when I stopped playing.Probably a link somewhere for all of these questions, I will google for after work.

Yeah there’s a 13 ilvl gap between each of them.

Yep.

Keys drop either normal or heroic from end of dungeon, and normal, heroic or mythic from vault (all dependent on key level).

I don’t really even care that much about my parses, but this guy comes here and tells me my opinion is invalid because I’m posting on a level 11.

Yeah but i’m not sure if averaging them out is a good metric for actual power since often times you end up with using the low impact pieces for crafted items with embellishments and seeking out every cantrip piece you can. Similarly a socketed hero track ring will generally be on par with a myth track ring of the same stats.

Also I would argue the biggest difference in sheer power early on would be access to crest skips. Even if a mythic raider gets one myth track piece in the first month of the patch that is a significant gain in power in terms of crest usage. I could easily see it being the difference of the average class balance hotfix level of damage for the dps that only does m+ vs the mythic raider who also does m+.

I think he’s trying to make the point that this gear change is not going to be the limiting factor on your ability to do anything in M+.

You also don’t seem to understand how parsing works.

Most of the time on prog fights the parse doesn’t matter.

However when factoring in parsing you want to compare the parse to the ilvl parse. You want them then to be the same if possible.

However if you parse a 96 but 76 by ilvl
That means your doing rotational mistakes to have a discrepancy of 20%

Parses are information that pit you against people in the same spec and ilvl brackets

It is, and people may not realize this, but getting ahead early is actually quite important. High level keys are actually run way different usually and getting used to the high level strats early will help alot when pushing.

Actually I specified credibility

Your posts are still closer to whining than anything else.

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Right…kinda barring all the ways your wrong.

Your parse is going to be heavily impacted by your group as overall kill time greatly impacts dps. Add into that externals and it isn’t really a useful metric even on farm.

Saving crests is an advantage, but so is the hunter pulling a myth bow from the M+ vault instead of bracers.

At best, you save 30 wyrms crests (2 heroic upgrades) over someone who didn’t get that M raid drop both optimally using the upgrade system. Which translates to ~7 ilvls on 1 item.