Why I was wrong

No, I’m not. Otherwise there would be no shortage of guild leaders.

How do you think this disproves my point, exactly? The fact that anybody can but very few do is precisely the point I am making. It is not a lack of skill that holds people back; it is a lack of effort. Again; tedium and difficulty are not synonyms.

Thanks for proving my point, I suppose?

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Effort is difficulty.

A 4 year degree is difficult because it requires commitment and effort for 4 or 5 years.

Lifting weights is easy, but building a physique is difficult because it takes years of commitment and effort.

Dedication and commitment to a cause is DIFFICULT you retard

Then why play? It’s not like RDF is somehow going to single-handedly catapult away all of your gripes with the game enough to compensate the experience into something wholly redeemed

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A 4 year degree is not inherently difficult. A 4 year arts degree is decidedly easy; most people could sleep through it. A 4 year degree in biomechanical engineering is difficult; it has a requirement of knowledge and skills that are not simple to obtain.

Building a physique is difficult because it takes years of commitment and effort IN THE CONTEXT OF APPLICATION OF SKILL. Anyone can lift a 5kg weight every day for 10 years and never build a physique, despite an endless application of effort.

There is nothing difficult AT ALL inherent to dedication and commitment; it is the context to which that dedication and commitment applies that defines its difficulty. It is incredibly easy to commit to being a couch potato. It is also incredibly easy to commit to being a toilet cleaner for a decade. Most people just don’t, because it is unbelievably boring.

There is no inherent value or difficulty to commitment absent of context. The context defines the difficulty.

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Skills can be taught.

Effort, energy, and dedication cannot be. You either have it inside you to persevere or you don’t.

This is real difficulty. Setting up a CNC machine on uneven ground to be level and straight within a fraction of a millimeter is complicated, but I got taught how to do it. It’s not difficult.

You view the world backwards.

You’re wrong. I have never heard someone so completely wrong cement themselves in their wrongness.

I’m somewhat in agreement with your overall sentiment but I’d contend a regress, that being that commitment in itself is an application of skill insofar as willpower is required to muster the corresponding dedication. It’s more like a coefficient of the baseline difficulty of the task–thus, it’s easy to ‘commit’ to something which is inherently lazy or simple, but not in a way which is solely reducible to the inherent simplicity of the thing in itself, rather, there’s some reciprocity between volition and the baseline difficulty of the thing in itself, the likes of which bounce off one another.

/shrug

Like I said; your belief is not necessary for reality to be reality.

You don’t exist in reality.

“Everyone could be X, Y, Z, if they wanted to commit the effort”, is the most privileged and hilariously out of touch thing I think I’ve ever read on the internet.

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Not successfully, anyway.

I also managed and continue to manage the human resources allocation for my region’s public health covid response across a significant number of public and private hospitals (>10).

Don’t bother to tell me you don’t believe me; as I said to the DK, your belief isn’t necessary for reality to be reality.

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Hey when you have had some real life lessons in just how difficult those can be come on back because if you truly believe that you have yet to live.
Either that or you flat out do not understand what they are.

It is exceptionally easy to be dedicated or committed to a task which you enjoy or a person whom you love unconditionally.

You, like BeefyDK and Cauchy, are conflating the idea of difficulty and tedium, and similarly attributing difficulty to dedication or commitment that comes from neither devoid of context.

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you did not say task and only just now added that in, so my point stands.

What? A task or a person is an example of an object to which you can be dedicated or committed. It doesn’t change the context of the sentence whatsoever.

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Like I said when you have had some life lessons come on back.

And like I said, multiple times, to multiple people; your belief is not necessary for reality to be reality.

Dedication and commitment devoid of context are not inherently difficult at all. The fact that SOME applications of them are difficult does not mean that they are intrinsically difficult.

This is similar to many IQ test style logic questions, along the lines of “some bibs are bobs and all bobs are babs, does this mean that all bibs are babs?”. The claim and the logic implied by it is non-sequitur.

The claim being made in this thread is that running a guild is hard because it requires dedication and commitment and people management is hard; this is a demonstrably non-sequitur statement, because dedication and commitment have no intrinsic difficulty when separated from context, and people management is not always hard. The fact that many things that require dedication and commitment are also difficult does not change either fact.

At no point have I claimed that some things in life are not difficult and require dedication and commitment, nor have I claimed that in some contexts people management is not difficult. What I have said, which remains a fact not requiring belief or agreement, is that neither commitment nor the need for people management is evidence for classic wow being difficult.

The irony here is that for the argument that “commitment is difficulty” to make any sense in the context, one must invoke tedium as a driver of difficulty. For you to even attempt to define commitment or dedication as difficult, you must define those things to which you are dedicating yourself as difficult to commit to by virtue of being so boring you don’t want to do them in the first place. Because, as described above, it is not at all difficult to commit to something which you otherwise want to be doing anyway.

Ergo: The only way in which it makes any sense to define wow classic as “difficult” is when you believe it is so boring that you otherwise don’t want to do it.

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Rofl what is this get back in the circus

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RDF good. Yes.

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