The way we see it is that you never really left retail. The fact that you’d wanna go back to retail at all is a bad sign to people that play classic specifically cause they’re not trying to play retail, at all
Why would anybody play WOTLK and think they aren’t playing retail? The game is literally retail without the green button. I’m fact retail has more difficult open world content than WOTLK
I like the PvP in Wrath better.
I feel like nobody ever dies in Retail PvP.
Not worried about PvE content being stimulating. I only do it when I have to for items.
I would rather not do it at all.
As was TBC
I’m done with classic and DF, in 3 days, Warhammer 40k releases DARKTIDE… I’d rather play a bad 40k game than one more month of wow - and Darktide is awesome, btw
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I have Darktide on preorder
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I agree. Blizz, please start a single Burning Crusade server for the players that enjoyed the era just before WotLK. It still had the Classic flavor, yet offered a little more content like Draenei and Blood Elf lands. For the casual player, the old world still had value, leveling was still a fun challenge and the part of the adventure that some people enjoyed, unlike the speed leveling of Wrath. Just one server. Make it an experiment. Add unobtrusive content to it, like Achievements if you want. Just do it.
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theres alot of us that dont speed level, we also seem to be the same people that want rdf so we can access ALL of the dungeons oldest to newest. me and my guild LOVE the slower pace, only running one or two dungeons every other day or two. we like the casual approach but we are being punished with no rdf making us burn away alot of gametime we would rather be playing then flying.
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Another tourist made it to the Retail!
Wrath starts with the easiest raid tier in wow history, and ends with actual hardmode raiding, if you wait, wrath will kick your casual dick in if you let it.
Hello I was being sarcastic to that retard above dunno how you missed that
Sure, LK is just like retail that way. Doing slightly more difficult M+ of the same dungeon was mostly grind until the near end. Leveling in a tubular questing system is another thing they have in common.
For me, BC heroics went about the same as climbing the M+ ladder during Legion. BF is probably harder than 15 but isn’t with certain comps. The difference between them is marginal compared to the video game industry as a whole. Maybe a little more than something like Dark Souls but not the super easy stuff most mmo and single player games have, and not as hard as the hyper competitive esports.
Dealing with people is infinitely more complex than any video game skillz any mmo requires (wrong genre for that). It is the element that made mmo’s different and interesting, if you want something that requires more apm or whatever and can sell as an e sport I’d suggest moving into LoL or counterstrike or something with a legit competitve following.
Or maybe if you have content that requires rdf to be successful then the game design is bad in the first place. I really don’t care whether rdf is in wotlk mostly for this reason.
This is the actual truth. This is the worst state of play for classic since 2019. It’s just a bad game compared to TBC and Vanilla.
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Well yeah you slowly learn that WOTLK wasn’t actually the beginning of the end, it was the end itself. To me WOTLK looks way more like retail wow than BC. Yeah it still has talents trees like BC, But there are lots of important and basic elements that are gone from the game.
Threat management, mana management, stun and CC resistance, professions , Crushing blow, parry haste, CDs, even heartstone, mounting cast time, and etc , lots of lots of things became way easier thus less meaningful than before. Still better than retail, cuz there is no RDF, achiv sharing, Gold coin, Xmog and a few other things.
That must be why vanilla classic is still thriving, oh wait…
Vanilla classic played great without rdf, same as the first time. There is a limit to how many times I can replay a game though. Don’t see any som or + version of classic wow justifying another run through it.
Like EQ TLPS, everyone will have an xpac they choose to stop at, and like EQ TLPs, I would expect blizzard to spin up new ones starting in vanilla, even while older classic servers are still progressing forward.
EQ even had fun with TLPs, one is locked in PoP, EQs wrath, one has no trade restrictions, and random drops, so you can get your bis loot from potentially anything, you dont need to spam the same dungeon for you HoJ.
Shouldn’t really come as any surprise that Wrath Classic feels like Retail.
Wrath baby was coined for a reason.
Wrath baby was coined in T7 when we actually believed MC was hard, which it never actually was, most good wrath players were bad at some point. We thought clearing rag in vanilla made us good.
If people cleared content any number of tiers behind the current, it deserves an asterisk imo.
Not that any of it was “hard” even at patch. It was one giant gear check. All of it. Time consuming? Yeah. “Hard”? No.