Didn’t they retcon it that male warriors and female druids existed but were very rare? I don’t remember 100% but could’ve swore there were female night elf druids in legion who claimed to been druids since the sundering.
I am going to tell you that you’re wrong, and try and do it in a way that’s not personally insulting.
The main reason why the new combos don’t matter comes down 100% on Blizzard; they have retconned their own lore straight to poop. Want an example?
Do you rebember back in ICC that Tirion very clearly said that there must always be a Lich King? The reason being is that the LK is the only being capable of keeping the Scourge from basically running amok and destroying civilization and turning everyone into the Undead. He proved that point by attempting to put the Helm on himself and was about to become “the Jailor of the Dead”. If Bolvar didn’t take the Helm and ascend the Throne, Tirion was going to be the LK.
Now fast forward to the intro of SL. Sylvanas destroys the helm after LOL Soloing Bolvar; (yet another Retcon in itself, as Sylvanas had to have us in the Horde to regain the UC from Varian and the Alliance, but she is suddenly able to solo the LK, a being enhanced by a link of direct power from the SL). Sylvanas destroys the Helm; and the Orgy of Death and turning the living into undead and destroying civilization never happens.
That’s only one example but you see my point. So if Blizzard doesn’t GAF about keeping the lore straight, then why does it matter to you? Don’t like Tauren Rogues? Don’t create one. Orc Mages anger you? Don’t play one.
Listen Guy, you do you. No one will tell you how to enjoy WoW. Feel free to not try and tell others how to enjoy it either.
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My interpretation was always that the split wasn’t codified, just the status quo. And by God do Night Elves like their status quo.
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You do realize there are more blood elf players than there are blood elves right? Player numbers don’t impact in game numbers.
Clearly Nightborne should be Paladins, just look at my mog.
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sounds like a win for me. Vulpera druid when?
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What were the classes in that one game… Gauntlet?
“Red Wizard needs food Badly!!”
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As someone who’s played lots of D&D. This just isn’t true. Not unless you have a highly custom setting. But I wouldn’t play with a DM that prevented individuality and made every race a slave to their culture.
I’ve made a tiefling paladin, I have a friend who did an orc paladin. These things are free to do because D&D acknowledges individuals. There are other RPGs but I haven’t played one with race/class restriction.
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I don’t like the cultural tidal shifts. I think it would be better if the PC were treated as a rare exception instead of conjuring some wholly new mode of operation.
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That’s the point. If they can retcon something this intrinsic to Night Elf society, getting upset over paladins is just silly.
I can see how this is appealing for some, but man those two sentences are such a turnoff for me. Class and spec are such a big part of my characters’ identities that for example this character deciding to switch to being a warrior by snapping his fingers seems as absurd as a software engineer becoming a top tier quarterback overnight IRL. Even allowing for wonkiness of game mechanics it’s beyond my ability to suspend disbelief.
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Something like 40% of the grimtotem tribe stayed horde after Magatha’s betrayal. They are a tribe of thunderbluff tauren.
I wish we can finally get there warpaint options soon, most fittingly with the rogues, since the grimtotem tribe most embodies rogues for tauren. The Highmountain have the bloodtotem tribe which has similar culture to the grimtotem in how they fight.
I wish Alliance posters would stop saying the Grimtotem aren’t on horde, we had some good ones. There culture can still be rped by tauren, as they are more of the aggressive kind. They also had closer ties to the forsaken and had interesting dynamics.
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This is not true unless you give people who care about the lore an option to hide your race class combo. You want a Void Elf paladin? I should have the option to view you as a Human.
Having races gravitate towards certain classes is fine. Night Elves favoring druids and priests. However, the player character, should be given a choice if they want to be an outlier. Perhaps they want to make a character who seeks vengeance against the Horde for Teldrassil no matter the cost and does make an infernal pact to become a warlock despite the cultural taboo.
WoW is still an RPG and we’ve moved into a day and age where barriers are just obstacles for player engagement. Let the player explain why they’ve gone against the grain of their society. With the variety of toys in game players are doing this anyways.
The character is the vehicle through which a player sees the world. Restricting classes to certain races is a holdover of 3rd edition where WoW and a lot of RPGs of the early 2000s got their inspiration from.
As Garrosh famously said. “Times change.”
The same argument was made regarding Artifact Weapons. Not every paladin in the world had Ashbringer. Gameplay>lore. The story was told from the point of view of the player character. What other players do has never been cannon to the story, in so much that their is one Highlord, one Deathlord, High Priest, Arch Druid, etc. Just as your PC is the star of your own story their PC is the star of theirs.
Like in WoD there weren’t million of garrisons. Just the Horde one and Alliance one. There weren’t a million champions of Azeroth, just the player character.
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Meanwhile, you have no problems with the Tauren, Nightborne, etc. remaining in the Horde after they burned Teldrassil, I see.
Even though we both know dang well that Baine and Thalyssra would have immediately left the Horde after witnessing that, and reached out to give survivors refuge.
But you don’t care about that, eh? Even though for me, seeing Tauren in the Horde is lore breaking after BFA.
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You’re effectively telling someone they should be okay with bad, ham-fisted writing that makes no sense because bad, ham-fisted writing that makes no sense exists already. Which is fair, but I think they’re asking for less bad, ham-fisted writing that makes no sense instead.
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Thalyssra, I can see at minimum just turning a blind eye. Baine on the other hand belongs in the Alliance.
Like my previous analogy, that still affects EVERYONE’S immersion.
What you’re advocating is that, because SOME people don’t care about the story, they should be able to do whatever they want, what it’s still affecting the world others WANT to feel immersed in.
This is an MMO, neither side’s perspective is completely isolated from the other. It’s the area where WoW really DOES differ from D&D; with tabletop RPG’s, you can always find a group that runs things how you like. But most DM’s still advocate for certain rules and limitations.
WoW is more like a giant community playing the same campaign. Just because some people don’t take it seriously, doesn’t mean we should just throw everything out the window. It’s ultimately Blizzard’s decision, of course. I’m simply advocating my stance on the subject, which is that eliminating ANY Race/Class restrictions (which they’re talking about doing) will be actively harmful to the game.
Like I said, I’m fine re-evaluating some of those restrictions, and maybe opening some choices up where it makes sense (or in the Demon Hunter’s case, where I actually think there is a legitimate NEED for at least one more option per faction). But if you just really don’t care about the Lore, then why should we all have to make that sacrifice?
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The first mistake done with race/class combo was handling Druids to the Horde at the beginning of this game. Everything related to Night Elf lore and culture got completely turned into neutral content, where their very enemies get to participate while Night Elves got treated like these out of place humanoids. Then, Horde got DHs too. And Paladins were taken as well, along with this Loa nonsense to get Troll Paladins (Seriously?!).
The history was throw away a long time ago and BFA/Shadowlands was like burning the whole house down. As long as they actually enable everything, I don’t care anymore. Remove all restrictions and call it a day.
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I hadn’t really thought much about that. I wonder what would’ve filled the empty Horde class slot instead if druid were Alliance exclusive.
One thing is for sure, it’d be a lot harder to sell Alliance as anything but the good guy faction if it had a monopoly on both druids and paladins. The only remaining Horde class with that sort of image would be shamans.
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