Why I think Race-Class combinations ARE important, and removing restrictions could be harmful

He doesn’t realize rogues use shadow magic to dull senses of enemies. And tauren rogue are very much like the assasination and outlaw type. Especially grimtotem and blood totem rogues.

Its not about a personal fantasy, more about at least some common sence physics…

You cant be that stealthy and agil, weigthing 2 tons. You just cant…

Unless, Tauren Rogues were to look extremely different, much less muscular…

The way they are built, is for strong classes like warriors. NOT Rogues

Im aware of the use of some magic, but some is still do to physical progress. If you see the cinematics and all, Rogues are always slim and agil. Do not make sence having a 2 ton cow doing jumps and having that agility.

‘Common sense physics’ would suggest that Gnomes, Vulpera, Goblins, and to a lesser extent DWARVES would need to lose access to the Warrior class because they’re too small to stand their ground against Tauren, Orcs, Trolls, etc.

Tauren don’t have a racial that says ‘Noisy: Stealth is Impossible’. They can, and do, absolutely sneak up on many, many things. Druids? Hunters? Tauren are both of 'em and they got stealthy stuff to them.

By the same logic, you could say ‘Tauren can’t be hunters because that much muscle mass gets in the way of proper archery and their bovine appearance would trigger the predator instinct of every carnivore they meet’.

Some Tauren are stealthy and quiet, and some get REALLY GOOD at it. That’s all you’d be, you’d be a really quiet and stealthy Tauren that fights really dirty.

You’re playing a fantasy game not RL.

It doesn’t make any sense, for a Rogue of any race, to somehow shroud their entire party (including Taurens) to walk past entire packs of mobs… no matter how stealthy the Rogue might be, how do they extend that to the plate wearing Tauren?

Because it’s a fantasy game and they use shadow magic.

If we apply the used logic in this thread universally then most abilities in the game don’t make sense.

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Yes, and i pointed out already, that classes like Gnome Warriors are stupid.

Dwarven warriors are totally ok with fantasy games, specially Warcraft based heavily on LOTR…

Vulpera and Goblins are meme classes … Lets be honest, no one wants to play wow and immediately think on those classes… The ones who pick it do so for an alt, or are just trolling. When you think Horde, you think Orc, Taurens, Undead, Troll if you are a bit exentric. BE if you really wish you were alliance.

If you are going to bring physics into a fantasy game you should stop right there lol.

A tauren wouldnt even be able to exist in our world with that anatomy or even walk at all.

Nor would a being made of void or a zombie.

Anyways Zereth Mortis show the stuff people were made from. Protoflesh. They had strange artifacts described as both heavy and light. The gods designed this universe to be special and unique. Even floating lands. Don’t bring physics into a game that clearly doesn’t have the same kind as us.

Bold of you to assume another player’s intent with regard to character creation, that every Vulpera, Goblin, and Gnome warrior are memes instead of, y’know, genuine character concepts the player may enjoy. I haven’t created an Orc, or BE despite playing Horde since Vanilla because the only race that even GOT me to play the game at all was Tauren, everything else was so unappealing as to basically say ‘nah I’d rather stick with EQ’.

Is everyone who plays a Pandaren a ‘memer’ too, or can those be actual character concepts, oh DM-of-the-game?

The use of fictional powers, doesnt mean that they still dont need to follow some kind of physics or logic. Even superhero stuff, follow somehow our laws of physics. Stuff like the Avengers, where gems for example control all of reality (and when they dont, they make sence of it, like REALITY GEM, which alters reality, or Time Gem, which alters the flow of time), still follow physics to a degree.

If it werent, then we would probably wouldnt even recognize what we looking at.

Example.

Even though you can fly, levitate, etc… You still need gravity on the game, and somehow have some common sence when it comes to it. Even if you can fall from higher than in real life. The gravity itself needs to make sence. (You cant fall upwards for example, away from the center of mass)

Ok, i stand corrected…

…no one wants to play wow and immediately think…

…almost* no one wants to play wow and immediately think…

No one is arguing that some basic guidelines are a good thing to have regarding the physics of the world, but player-character classes aren’t one of them. There is no need to worry about whether the Gnome Warrior is heavy enough to be catapulted by the dragon because mechanically it just makes sense to have Warrior A = Warrior A.

Should certain mounts be inaccessible to certain classes and races due to weight limits? Are we gonna have to manage inventory based on encumbrance?

Arguing ‘but realism’ makes no sense when we’ve got access to A: magic, B: heroic willpower, and C: player-character status. We get to break the rules because without us there is no game.

By your own logic you can make physics work with the lore.

A gnome is more dense thus can hit very hard like a tauren.

Smaller beings have more muscle tissue or magic to boost there stregth.

Tauren rogues have better stealth magic then other races.

You just don’t want to think about it to make it work.

Using logic will never work with them… no matter how dumb the concept of Tauren Rogues sounds… they’ll come up with something stupid like the Tauren use like shadow magic or somethin to sneak past groups, dumb… but blizzard will cater to them because screw it, why not? Lore and logic be damned.

I mean, what’s wrong with Void Elf Priests? I don’t see anything particularly lore breaking with them.

They’d all be shadow priests, canonically, just like how all Mag’har Orc Priests are shadow priests, and how all Lightforged Draenei priests are canonically holy priests.

You are taking it to the extreme on nitpicking, stuff like you fliying only on certain mounts, also would require heavy ammount of dev time. (Also, i think WOW figured it out ok, as a mount on a Tauren is bigger than a mount on a Gnome, so its able to compensate on heavier rider)

Having classes restricted based on lore/physics make sence.

Yup half the mounts we ride aren’t realistic. If rl elephants get back problens and pain from riding people, most of the creatures we ride would defintely not support us for long.

Especially the flyibg physics in this game. Essentially is just turning gravity to zero.

Bringing physics into wow head canon will lead to not enjoying this game.

Yeah, a draenei/warlock combo who supposedly followed Velen and the Light instead of the Burning Legion would really, really bug me … and I say that as someone who really likes both the (lawful good) Draenei race and the warlock class.

But, as someone else pointed out, a lot of (most?) of the players of this game apparently don’t care about the lore, the story, or any of that. They skip cinematics and never read quest text. They just want character creation to be like “creative mode” where you can mix and match anything whatsoever with the world lore being totally irrelevant. Some of them probably even would gladly play Spider-man (or some other famous superhero) within WoW itself like the guy in your anecdote if they were given the option by Blizzard somehow.

I mean, Tauren Pirates/Outlaws are a thing, so, why can they not be Outlaw rogues? And since we know that Rogues use magic to make themselves invisible (as per the Thrall/Saurfang cinematic during BFA), it’s not like they have to worry about hiding their mass. They just have to worry about object displacement and being light on their hooves, both of these things can be trained.

Warriors dont use magic.

A Gnome is not more dense… Its more compact. But you certainly cant say its more dense… For it to be more dense, it would need to have more mass constricted in a smaller space.

Ever heard of Black Holes ? This is not it

You know rogues already use shadow magic? :man_facepalming: Some people just don’t know the lore.

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No, it does not.

All a Rogue asks of a member of the class is to be sneaky, clever, devious, and agile. None of those are impossible for a Tauren to accomplish. Would it be out of the norm for a Tauren to focus on that, yes, but then again that’s the entire point of the PC, we are very much out of the norm.

There are many easy, easy ways to justify a stealthy tauren. They just move a little slower and more carefully. They know how to move quickly enough to make a bump inconsequential.