Funny thing about free will, the public is allowed to make their own opinion. Blizzard will just have to pay a fine and fire a few people and then they’ll legally be completely fine. Which is why the public should pay attention and not be alright with this stuff.
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The ADs in Florida thought they had a slam dunk on Casey Anthony. Heck three quarters of the people who ever heard about the missing, later found dead, child thought they had a slam dunk. We all saw how that turned out in the end. Look at the OJ trial, everyone just knew he killed his wife but that’s not how it went in court.
Odds there will be a settlement without admitting fault unless act/bliz thinks they have a slam dunk.
I dont know about that case because I dont follow Bliz that much. But I have heard about that here and there.
If that is true then I agree 100% Bliz should have waited. But 2 wrongs dont make a right
Yes that was a stupid and ignorant choice on Bliz’s part, and maybe this is righteous justice for them treating him like that. But if we go tit-for-tat on these things soon no one will be left.
If I go out and shoot someone who killed a member of my family AFTER they were found innocent even if I believe they did it…I am still in the wrong.
So if I as a man am accused of rape by a woman coworker than that woman coworker is more than likely telling the truth?
Just the simple accusation gives her more claim on the truth than me?
Should I be fired because “she is more likely than not telling the truth”?
No, just because a woman claims sexual harassment does not mean she is more likely than not telling the truth. The evidence she provides to back up her claim is what shows truth or not.
I also do not agree that sexual harassment is a common as you say. Mainly because what constitutes sexual harassment is so muddled now.
If you go up and slap a woman’s butt unsolicited that’s pretty clear harassment to everyone.
If you say “You look pretty with your hair like that” to a woman…is that harassment? To some it would be to others it would not.
No one said it was. 
Also, see below:
And yet… quoted for emphasis…
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Its not raising baseless speculations when people are condemning blizzard by saying “Well they have former employees that say so”. Stating that there could be ulterior motives for their statements is raising a counter point not speculation
I agree we should see evidence from BOTH SIDES…unfortunately only one side has had the opportunity too provide their evidence.
Why is it bad to consider that some of the claims by some of the people could be false or inflated and we should wait to see what evidence gets presented.
You need to read what I’m actually saying. Based on the evidence available + the likelihood of allegations being false. I already said it is possible for people to make false allegations, and I already told you I never said women should be believed 100% of the time with no evidence. The point of all this is that there is significant evidence and we are past the point of speculation.
There are always going to be people who react badly to socially acceptable behavior like harmless flirting for whatever reason, but most reasonable people aren’t going to think a guy is harassing them because of a compliment. Do some research for like 2 minutes and you’ll see sexual harassment is extremely common, and probably much more common than statistics show, since so many women are afraid to report their own experiences.
I get it. However I do not blame people for holding off support as well. When these things come out the public is perfectly fine imo to stop supporting the company and to treat them how they want as long as they cause no illegal harm. So your example is a bit extreme so its not exactly an apples to apples comparison. A true comparison using your example would be that i would go find Bobby and give him a rough intimate time. However thats not what people are saying here. Rather people are judging the company publicly on what has come to light and are forming opinions on the situation.
The point in my example above is that they have yet to restore that actors voicelines which means Blizzard thinks its okay to judge someone publicly regardless of court proceedings/results, and the innocent until proven guilty idea. That idea is only relevant for the government. It is not relevant in the court of public opinion. The people can believe what they want based on the info that comes out to the public.
In all fairness this is the system that Blizzard has supported and currently still support. So its only fair to treat them the same way they treat others because its not illegal to have an opinion on their court proceedings. I have not read one person advocating to physically harm anyone outside the law here. People just gave opinions on the case here.
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The only evidence I see at the moment is the claims made by people in a case. I dont see anything further than that unless I am missing something (and no I did not scroll over the whole thing with a fine toothed comb so that could be the case)
I disagree. Because again sexual harassment has been redefined by some people in recent years.
To some people complimenting a woman on her looks IS A FORM OF HARASSMENT. Even if the compliment is good natured it can still be harassment because even harassment is being redefined as “if you feel harassed”
Intent no longer mattes anymore it seems.
Plus (and this will make this go even further off track) now-a-days we cant even agree on what a woman IS. To some people I could be a woman simply by claiming to be such.
I don’t think that the allegations are a straight-up fabrication. I don’t think that we’re all going to wake tomorrow to see that surprise! It was all a lie.
There’s no part of me that thinks that Blizzard isn’t guilty of something, however, I do think it’s still an open question who exactly is responsible for the allegations in the complaint (on an individual level I mean) and what extent they’re liable for it. There are a lot of things alleged in the complaint, and I don’t want to take it as a binary true/false where Blizzard is either guilty of all of it or none of it. I want to wait for more information before I solidify my opinion on the whole thing. Even were that not the case, just on a principle level I don’t like passing judgement on people until I’ve gathered as much of the picture as I possibly can. Until this shakes out in the courts, that hasn’t happened.
That’s my own standard though, that’s why my comments are littered with so many “I thinks.” I make an effort to not speak for anyone but myself when I feel like it isn’t something that’s appropriate to apply more broadly.
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I agree with that. I dont think the notion of
“Bliz clearly did it so I am going to unsub”
Is correct but the notion of
“This is a company I am a little too uncomfortable supporting at the moment so I am going to unsub”
Is ok because in the second case it is not out of sure infallible accusations that you are basing on its simply you not wanting to “take chances” until things become more clear.
And as I said I find this whole situation HILARIOUS for that reason.
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Blizzard didn’t need that when they took action against people with accusations made against them, so why should we provide them that benefit?
And Blizzard isn’t even coming out denying it, they’re fighting against the legality of the agency filing the suit and trying to insist their company didn’t have anything to do with the individual who took their own life.
You have a laundry list of past & present employees coming out either sharing their own experiences or stating they’re not at all surprised and acknowledging that was very much the culture the company has.
Yeah because I’m sure every single one of these individuals, who many of which have moved to better gigs, are out to witchhunt Blizzard as is the state of California
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Well they need to go after every company because it’s an every company not just one company
Thats fair. And i agree
If you Leaving the game because of this then you might as well not go shopping anywhere else because it’s in every company out there
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Yes, every individual has a different idea of what’s okay and what’s harassment. That’s true of any kind of social interaction. But it just isn’t likely, even if someone did find a compliment to be harassment, to develop into a serious accusation that would result in the guy facing consequences. Because there is Actual Harmful harassment, and there is accidentally crossing a boundary with someone who isn’t comfortable with being complimented by random people. This isn’t about what everyone thinks harassment is on an individual basis.
I don’t really know what that last point has to do with anything to be honest with you.
I dont think rampant sexual harassment (as has been claimed) is in every company. But as a company grows larger and larger so does its shadow.
So yea, if you are looking for pure hearted company…better stick to mom and pop shops in rural areas for your every need
Isn’t that an important thing to hash out in court though? Exactly how responsible Blizzard is for her death?
But it seems pointless as a counterpoint unless you take it as a genuine possibility.
Because if these are sworn statements, then you are alleging a crime was committed. Nevermind acts of insidious moral character.
It seems incongruent to dismiss claims against Blizzard,despite the circumstantial evidence we have, under the auspices of “innocent until proven guilty” while at the same time seriously entertaining alternatives that involve alleging other people committed crimes, while presenting no evidence to back that up. Hence why I don’t think people actually care about “innocent until proven guilty”, they just want to defend Blizzard (or more accurately, imo, push back against PC culture).
I agree, this the very thing our Constitution is meant to protect against.
Todays cancel culture wants to burn people alive, they love it.
What ever happened to innocent until proven guilty in a court of law?
Blizzard HQ needs to move out of Cali. it’s the most corrupt state.