Yes it is completely possible for us to win…With great coordination AKA premades. But we dont have that luxury anymore (I hated the premade meta and im glad it stopped) But the map is still hella hard to conquer in a pog. When the map comes down to who hits IBGY or SHGY first…horde will always win due to IBGY is jsut that hard to take and reinforce when the horde can maul you from the front, flank your rear while ALSO having a tower pelt you in a choke point. When they push SHGY we can only hit them from the front with no Tower assistance which makes it so much easier to just choke us in our own GY and beat us like red headed step children.
I think anyone with a brain knows you are a Horde player. Please stop. Very obvious.
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You probably do not realize how dumb you just made yourself look.
It’s ok though, i’m a forgiving person.
This map was in use for all of Vanilla and most of BC so… years?
The 1.12 one? I don’t think so.
You skipped a question. I’ll give you a hint… Naxx was a thing at this point in Vanilla.
Hear now the mighty Mithra, slayer of Zombaer the petulant.
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He has a point, you and a few others come out of the woodwork defending an obvious issue as if there isn’t one. Horde using another account to transfer stuff from Alliance AH or to spy on zones where alliance are to gank isn’t uncommon.
Literally the same strategy horde are using now was used by multiple people in vanilla.
If people get to used to instant gratification from doing premades all the time this is what happens when no instant gratification occurs.
Well i can answer you why I don’t try.
#1 im there for exalted rewards.
#2. I dont want to be in AV for 30 minutes… i want to be in AV for 10-12 minutes MAX.
#3 there are 10 AFK. 3 in the cave. 2 standing around lost. its basically 25 vs 40.
#4 havent won a game i tried in 2 weeks.
#5 horde have better racials.
#6 5 alliance will ride by you getting 2v1. and not help.
#7 alliance wont fight on or for ojectives… Will they stand in the road? yes… wil they cap a tower 20 feet away . no… will they stop that guy spinning the flag 10 feet away. no.
#8 . the horde trolls AV in the start cave. nothing is being done about it.
#9. horde racials… stun and fear immune? berzerking? wtf… at least i have a 3 minute 10 second cool down stealth looker thing… it should be on 24/7 to even be remotly fair… is the stun resist a 10 second 3 minute cool down? no.
#10. starting points… we are in a cave dead top of map. Horde start 1/4 of the way up… that means first engagement a choke point is SHGY… it should be field or striff. not fair. not equal and blizz knows it.
#11. GY set ups… IBGY is nuts… over looking its entry point on a hill. you have to circle to get too?. SHGY is in the middle of a field. not defensible.
#12. Horde cried " premades premades stop them !! alliance is winning some games" and blizz IMMEDIATELY took action. Alliance says " they are wall jumping and exploiting to by pass defenses". blizz tells us to piss off. Alliance says " they are cave farming us". Blizz says… ohh . well now you arent worth honor but they can and do still do it for 30 minutes …
#13. well thats about it… Decks stacked. and blizz don’t care. wont fix or help. and the KNOW it . hordes ques are in the hours because they run alliance off. the alliance that do que dont expect to or want to win any more… we simply can’t blizzard knows the win ratio. and just doesnt give a crap. they actually do give a crap. with premades alliance was winning 5% of games… now they win 0%…
I hope horde que for 6 hours and alliance go drown them selves in the lake and stay ghosted. make the games not take so long till blizzard decides to balance it.
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I’ve seen multiple people say that this meta did not evolve in vanilla. I’m sure SHGY got capped at times, but I doubt that the dominant Horde meta was to hard cap SHGY and force a 30+ minute game.
because they are bad they were ridding the coat tails of premades then the premades move to wsg after the av change so they are losing a lot now.
Why would they need to?
I sell them stuff in the neutral AH all the time.
And anyone that can stealth can spy just fine from their own faction.
That’s what rogues and druids are for.
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We are all exalted and stopped bothering after Blizzard started showing blatant bias. We don’t need it, so screw it /shrug
Only people left playing AV on alliance are the late folks who level slow, or just started… or dont care. So naturally a lot of them will be mediocre.
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Alliance won because for the heavy majority of Vanilla, Alterac Valley was pre-1.12 when PVE coordination mattered. The NPCs were strong enough to prevent a steamroll.
Current AV is all about the initial fight at Stonehearth. If the Allies win that battle, then they have a chance for a second battle on neutral territory at Snowfall, and if they win there then a third battle takes place at Iceblood. If the Horde wins Stonehearth, the game is over. There is no way around and even with all NPCs summoned they can’t push the Horde out of Ally territory.
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Because queues weren’t 1hr + for horde and it was more efficient for horde to actually do the zerg and let Alliance win.
This has nothing to do with classic, and people who have no idea wtf they are talking about really need to stop bringing this point up
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Spoiled brats got used to exploiting their ability to stack their groups with the instant queue.
Now winning takes teamwork with strangers and actual PvP.
Its probably due to the pop % back then. Most people where Ally. But horde will take any chance to claim they are just the better players instead of seeing a actual problem with the game.
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Let me try to explain this one more time, from an objective viewpoint. If an alliance team makes a premade, then they were winning in 7 minutes, but only 50-70% of the time.
Let that soak in.
With a high level of gear, superior coordination, and fast mount…the outcome was slightly better than 50% win rate.
So, what chance to do you think a group of random, under geared people have? As we have seen reported, you lose more the 95% of the time. If there is no hope, you become passive. The psychology of this is played out in the real world to.
If you can’t see it now, then you see very little about life and very little will help you as a person.
All the Alliance in Classic are wimps, apparently.
Citation needed.