Why does the Alliance not even try to win AV anymore?

For real! Not a troll post. Back in Vanilla, the Alliance absolutely dominated AV, but now it seems like every time I join a game, nobody even tried to kill Galvanger, a couple of people try to cap towers, and the other 38 people jusy sit in Dun Baldar trying to dodge the AFK timer.

It’s bloody depressing. What happened to bring this sorry state of affairs about?

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It is True and it is so sad.

Several reasons its seems.

Alliance forgot hoe to play AV I suggest this thread here to remember:

How to Win AV - As Alliance

Winning Matches already reported when used.

Other reasons include maybe that Alliance got accustomed to winning with premades in a few minutes and now, without premades lost too much so that has settled in to just accept the loss and play for “Scrap Honor”.

Another more Cynical reason is apparently Horde infiltration. Some groups report Horde playing alliance characters and sabotaging every game to provoke Horde wins. I understand that this may happen, but I do not think it is a conspiracy personally but others think it is.

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Cuz muh HpH… these Alliance players soft too.

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Never attribute to malice that which is just as easily explained by stupidity.

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If this was Retail with merc mode, I might believe it. Definitely not on Classic though.

Hanlon’s Razor

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Don’t worry. If it keeps going like it has been going, Alliance won’t even queue any more.

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Because horde complained about premades and they made changes. Alliance complain about horde back dooring DB, nothing happens. Just an example of two “exploits” and how they are dealt with. One gets answered and the other doesn’t.

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The meta currently is simply to go for the most honor per time played
Everyone wants Rank 14

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Don’t fix that, I’m getting an extra 800 honor a match defending.

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No one still queuing on alliance side is foolish enough to think they’ll be hitting rank 14. They’re there for rep.

If Balinda is dead you get zero rep for killing galv, apparently.

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Oh you’d be surprised.
Deluding themselves yes, but you listen to people and a lot think they are going to get some high rank 12 13 14

Blizzard wont do anything about AFK/Leachers. I agree its depressing.

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There’s a myth floating around that Galv/Balinda give 20% HP buffs

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We so much need pre 1.12 AV and fixes to backdoors.

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Galv is worth the same honor as the other Lts, once balinda is dead. Unless killed while horde is attempting balinda, he’s not worth attempting because of his melee cleave potential to crush the group. Balinda damage output pales to Galvs, just one more advantage to horde.

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Because it’s easier to make excuses than to get gud.

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You can keep crying about so called imbalances but again, in Vanilla Alliance won AV 60% of the time. They weren’t all wizards.

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it’s really simple, there’s no reason to. the chance of winning is so low it’s not worth the effort, alli players for the most part aren’t there for honor, they are ‘casuals’ there for rep or fun or some other purpose, the long horde queue times weed out most of the non dedicated pvpers their side, so what you get are a bunch of rather hapless alliance vs horde who have been waiting in queue forever who are chomping at the bit to make it as painful as possible for the other side. premades were the way to counter this, so that both sides had group of similar skill levels facing each other. couldn’t have that though, horde aren’t allowed to be on the receiving end of “unfortunate behavior”.

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And if everyone goes for most honor per time then it just gets harder for everyone to rank since they compete with everyone else for rank points. The whole honor system is a Sisyphean treadmill where only a few can eke out a couple of points more than other people in order to rank high.

It really comes down to most time spent grinding, not who can get the most honor per time. All those people just going for honor per time are missing the big picture. Get rep in AV and get honor in WSG, that’s the way to get ahead.