One issue affected the entire alliance faction with negative affects by the exploiting of queuing as a group to premade and leaving the non premaders in the dust, also circumvented the intended design of the BG and was a issue made by classic in our current era of discords and bot commands.
The backdoor has existed since retail vanilla and there is 3 different versions of it.
The cuttent state of the BG is an absolute train wreck. The BG is not fun in anyway for people queuing on the Alliance. There are so many reasons for this given the layout of the map, not racials or anytihng else people want to point fingers at. Multiple posts in other threads have successfully and accuratly explained the layout, objective location and spawn point advantages the horde have in the current version, so I see no need to repeat them here.
The result is the BG being no fun due to the lop sided nature of the map. There have been multiple suggestions on hoe to balance this. Moving the horde cave back and preventing people from spawning there so long as a graveyard is held would alleviate a lot. It would give the alliance more strategic options during the first part of the game. But this will never happen since the loudest voices in these forums will never acknowledge the problems that exist with the map layout.
The rationale for this behavoir is crystal clear, the horde want to continue their current gravy train of honor due to it being simple to execute, extremely rewarding and doesnāt require a premade group. They come in these forum threads not to debate rationally, but rather they create straw man arguments in order to keep this glaring unbalance in their favor. Comments such as āAlliance doesnāt want to PvP, they have a defeatist attitude or the alliance has no strategyāā¦ so on and so forthā¦ Total garbage.
They are actually trying to bait Alliance to continue queuing so they can reap the benefits for themselves. The behavior is expected as the competition to rank is high, having any competitave advantage will drive people to fight tooth and nail to keep it.
So here we are, the result is one side is having a blast destroying every game with relative ease while the other side is force to slog their way through a terrible experience. Sure, the premades prior to Jan 28 sucked for the horde, wait an hour to queue and losing in 6-8 minutes is not fun. Also premades were screwing over Allaince PUGs due to queue jumping, not cool either. But last weeks game did neither of those things. Premades won some and lost some. The win ration was not terrible and the communication in discord made it possible to execute complex strategies that cannot be done in chat. That communication is required for the Alliance to compete in this version of AV, without it you have this terrible. terrible experience .
But whatever, you can keep on arguing your side is superior and fight for your rediculous lopsidded advantages. Keep on igonoring rational arguments that would just make the game better for everyone. Hold on to that false sense of pride. Iāll have no more part of it. Classic is fun, the BG experience is not.
Because the horde cried so much to Blizzard that we had a premade AV server. When they had one as well. Itās not like alliance won every AV. Blizzard just caters to the horde, always has.
The map were currently playing on isnt even the original map
They are a public company and cater to shareholders and subscribers. They might have an affinity for the horde. but thats not the problem. They are stuck in bad position. Make too many changes to classic and people will be outraged, donāt make changes and people will be outraged.
Whatever. I am hoping that someone there cares enough about the game and remembers at one point Blizzards top priority as a firm was to make their customers have fun playing their games. For AV currently, they have been really successful in making one group esctatic and the other group completely disenfranchised.
Thats quite a grind to help other people you donāt know get a tiny amount of extra honor.
Transfer to benedictionā¦ allies always camping brm here lolā¦ itās a pretty balanced server.
Have you looked at the map? Horde cave is the same distance to sh bunker as alliance is. Conversely the cannot be said for IBT. Horde can reach SFGY far quicker than alliance. The map basically forces Alliance right from the start to defend their objectives while the horde has no worry because the alliance cannot reach them. Whoever designed the map and thought it was balanced is on crack. Now lets talk about racial traitsā¦
No, that would be us Alliance people, you know, the human elf dwarf and gnome guys?
The ones who kept getting into an AV only to have sometimes less than 10 people.
Also the ones getting false reported for game violations causing us to get logged out of the game, only to come back in and find we have a chat ban and a punishable violation logged on our accounts.
Just because someone was taking up a slot the premade wanted.
And you did that, you caused that, Alliance players, not Horde players.
Blizzard did not care if someone was getting rickrolled by an organized group.
They cared when you kept jerking the system around so much as to make games besides yours unplayable.
And they really cared when you showed that you would happily Lie about people and did not care if you got them punished, as long as you could have your cool kids group.
And so they reluctantly did something about it.
And if that makes you butthurt, i have something you may find useful.
Its fine. Most of the players pvping as alliance never had it in them to really pvp. They would do better to return to retail.
Its actually shameful with how bad the alliance players are in classic. When i was pvping in vanilla AV i won 90% of the matches. And chalking it up to horde having more players means nothing. Its the way alliance are playing which is causing it.
Stalagg horde lmao
A position they put themselves in. Thereās no way that āno changesā was tenable. The player base is different, the technology is different, society is different, people have different ideas of what Vanilla really was. Vanilla itself consisted of dozens of patches, bug fixes, GM decisions, communities, and so on. Thereās really no single Vanilla to use as the canonical āno changesā version, any slice you choose will be a change to large numbers of people.
Not to mention itās an inflexible position. Something goes wrong and itās a change to fix it, just like it would have been in Vanilla. Nearly any move you make will cause problems, even if itās no move at all.
They should have realized this and put forth the idea that they werenāt exactly duplicating Vanilla but were instead building a new game which embraced the concept and feel of Vanilla but with modernizations. That there would be changes but ones that emphasized community and a spirit of having to work for rewards.
Instead we get this Frankensteinās monster of cobbled-together data and code. It lurches along and has lots of sharp corners to annoy the players. It fosters divisiveness in the community and satisfies very few people. Blizzard had better make some bold moves or this ship is going to continue to slip under the oceanās surface and end up on the bottom of the sea.
I pulled my weight and some.
Speak for yourself tourist. Weāre finally home and it feels good man. 
Everyone has their own opinion. I played Vanilla right to the end and this is not a bit like it. If you enjoy this new game then Iām happy for you. However, thereās plenty of original players who are not at all happy with this cheap clone.
I gave it a try, hoped it would live up to the promise, and am disappointed at how it turned out. So, yep, Iāll try to find something better.
You must have been on a pve server then. Vanilla was always kill or be killed. Have fun playing Shadowlands mate.
Oh Iām not playing Shadowlands. As bad as Classic is, Retail is worse. No, Blizzard wonāt get one more dime from me.
And Iām not talking about PVP, I was and still am a hardcore PVP player. Iām talking about the tons of differences between Vanilla and Classic. Yes, one of those being faction balance.
Thereās little point in PVP when you face such uphill odds that youāre dead within a few cool downs. Or when you go into BG after BG and only a fraction of your side is making any effort. All you become is fodder for the machine.
The smart PVP player finds another place to play, one where their effort can make a difference.
Did Horde regularly hard cap SHGY in vanilla? Because if not then itās not really relevant what the win rates were in vanilla.
I think weāre just lacking communication and leadership within our games. We need someone to take lead, the masses will follow or at least try to. It will eventually happen. I have seen it countless times, through many expansions in retail where the shift of dominance occurred. I know this isnāt retail obviously, but winning AV as alliance is absolutely possible in the current state. Itās up to alliance to figure it out, work together and bring it home for victory!
I must be the only player who will be playing both Shadowlands and Classic. Ha
I love this game, idc.