That was an entirely different game. Classic is nothing like Vanilla and this is just one way of many that things are different. Saying that Alliance used to win 60% is meaningless to Classic.
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Itās a combination of factors:
- 1/3 to 1/2 of alliance players are only there for exalted rewards.
- Apathy spreads very quickly.
- Horde came to play 30 minute games and PVP.
- Some people still believe you get honor after 10* HKs on a player per day.
- Some people still believe that Galv gives honor after Bal is dead.
After that, the remaining Alliance afk at SP. Or afk out to screw the backfills.
*Edit: Thank you @Graff for the correction on the DR.
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Iāve explained this many times before, its the fact that Horde have better racials. Naturally more of the hardcore pvpers when Horde because they are scrubs that need the extra edge to compete. Ironically, they screw themselves over because they end up in 40 minute queues
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And Alliance dominated AV in vanilla becauseā¦?
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Because Horde had no idea how good their racials were or how the map in AV favors Horde.
15 years later everyone knows the game which is why the pvpers like Savix and Venruki went Horde for the advantage and all the scrubs followed. Enjoy your 1 hour queues. Ill be destroying Horde in the lower brackets or killing Horde lowbies. Not catering to neckbeards that all went Horde for a cheap advantage endgame.
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Really, and what were they wearing when this particular map was in use? This particular map was in use for exactly how long?
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Cross realm battlegrounds
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No reason to. Youāre not going to win with a turtle, by summoning or a slug fest. If you start to win, the horde backdoors which happens nearly every game.
It also is annoying when people either terrain exploit by stormpike gy and you rez and get instantly killed by people on hills. Itās a choke point that works against the Alliance.
Alliance didnt really dominate AV until the cave fix so that horde didnt just start in Alliance territory. There was no easy wins with that change. No instantly forcing an alliance turtle.
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Um, Blizzard increased it to 10 kills before no honor.
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I just play AV for the fun aspect, and WSG i always avoid like the plague.
I just never liked it, was never terribly fond of CTF
I used to enjoy AV but when every single game is the same ākill LTs and then let them winā you start to lose enthusiasm for the game.
And I mean WoW, not just AV.
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Thank you for the correction. I should have worded it differently.
They still think there is honor long after it has gone to zero.
Unlike most of them, I can admit when Iām wrong!
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This is actually a thing. They let us know on discord what alliance is doing, and try to distract alliance by calling out fake objectives (e.g. āneed help at IBGY quick!!!ā). Iām surprised Blizzard hasnāt done something about this. Pretty poor sportsmanship if you ask me.
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Lol people can be so funny. As if people have the time to reroll an alliance just to spite the other alliance in AV. They have their own pvp honor grind to do, they aināt got time for that! 
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In my opinion, the imbalance is really highlighted by the years of anticipation, practice and spreading of information because of the ubiquity of the internet and tech compared to 15 years ago. 15 years ago, if you were a real try hard you might have known what now nearly everyone is aware of.
Better racial abilities
Easy to force a turtle
Stormpike terrain exploits
Etc. list goes onā¦
I think the funny thing is that the overflow of knowledge has bred new problemsā¦ Severe favoring of the Horde over the Alliance. Long queues. etc.
Regardless, I think itās an opportunity for Blizzard to show they care and help players on the Alliance find a premade group more easilyā¦ Same with the horde, but without this capability, we are doomed due to players who (understandably) in the face of massive adversity, resign themselves to running AV dozens upon dozens of times (all losses) to accumulate their needed rep for BiS raiding gear. (holy pally here) I donāt blame them for not caring, AFKing and correctly assuming they will likely lose and the marginal increase in rep they will receive from actively participating will ultimately not be worth their added attention/time.
Fix it bruh.
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lol
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On my server horde had alliance alts so they could park them in zones so they could listen to where alliance would be. To pvp and avoid it.
So really itās not far fetched.
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No you are not.
You are losing over 4k honor for losing 
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Ya but 1.12 wasnāt the case(and stayed 1 month in vanilla), which alliance just lost to the point people just boycoted it in TBC.
Original AV had bunkers and towers that could be conquered, a hell lot of NPC and many goblin mines.
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The problem is that Alliance open the game with the silly little zerg rush, and if that fails, the ragequitting and afking starts.
The maps also favors Horde because they have less distance to travel to objectives from the starting cave.
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