Why does anyone get butthurt over tanking as a service

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No one is telling you what to do. I just remind people of the repercussions of their greed.

Someone in here mentioned that I would be disliking capitalism by scoffing at the notion of paying a tank to do an instance. That’s fine and people may think that. Personally I think its a rejection of crony capitalism, where someone is trying to exploit others.

I’m the first person to say roll need on expensive BoE drops, but charging to tank is ridiculous and I havent seen a viable defense for it yet. That said, I’d never tell someone what they can or cannot do.

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As someone who is currently selling tank services / runs, hopefully I can give some insight in this thread:

1- Finding the right price is tricky. Too much and nobody will pay. Too low and you will be spending alot of time doing dungeons cheaply when you could be farming profession and getting more. At this moment I’ve resorted to getting paid upfront 2 / 3 /4 / 6g per player instead of a big, all round fee like, say, 20 or 30.

2- I take absolutely nothing from the dungeon. Regular dungeon tanking always came with several rewards, like exp and chance at loot. Now that I essentially can’t get anything from any dungeon with some rare exceptions, getting paid straight up gold in exchange for performing my role and taking nothing makes perfect sense.

3- I try not to shove it down anyone’s throat. If I see someone looking for a BRD tank for 2 hours, that’s their problem. It’s a good thing to make yourself known in a passive way, start wisping everyone offering runs for gold and you’ll become an annoyance.

4- If people get mad at you for selling your role, also their problem. Tanking is a rare role. Lots of things factor in this. Tank is essentially the leader of any party. You buy my runs, I’ll be yours. Free market, do your price, sell your roll. If people pay or not, that’s gonna depend on them.

Ever since I started selling runs, Stockades / SM have been most profitable (lots of alt leveling). Not alot of takers on higher level dungeons (more reasons for tanks to take part in these). Made about 300g in a couple of days (not playing all day) and managed to snatch a skullflame shield, definitely going to continue doing this more.

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I dont sell my tank runs necessarily, because i usually just run with my guild. But if i do spam my services. Ill just request that all green boes getting turned over to me unless its a upgrade for someone in the group. Covers my repair bill, and if its a good run ill get some gold.

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No. This is completely wrong. The tanks selling runs have already got the gear they need. They’re not entitled at all. The people entitled are the ones who think the tanks should tank their runs for the hell of it, despite the tanks not needing anything from it.

Edit: However, if there are tanks out there that ARE looking for a group to tank for, because they need an item, then charging gold is not warranted.

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  1. there is a shortage of tanks on a lot of servers
  2. being a tank available for work doesn’t make it harder for you to find a free tank who needs to run it for gear. they’re two different groups of players.
  3. nobody is really being exploited. the tank is paid for an hour or two of his time, and the buyer gets to skip the process of finding a tank

yeah sure if the tank is underleveled/undergeared and needs to run the dungeon anyway for gear then it’s different and kind of scummy but if you’re fully geared and just making yourself available for any group in need willing to pay then i don’t see how you’re really exploiting anyone.

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Threads like these make me pull 5-10 elites in a group of 2 mages and we roll through them getting heals while the lock dots and the rogue demolish as they please.

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The tank doesn’t need any items and needs gold. People need dungeon runs for quests, experience, and gear. Rather than you having to spend an hour looking for a tank, it’s a lot more convenient to just buy their service and forfeit BoE drops if those are not your primary concern.

It was the same case on private servers. Tanks needed literally nothing out of Living Stratholme once they did their quest, how else are you going to justify them bothering to go?

There are multiple defenses towards tanking services, especially since WoW is basically an example of a free market left to its own devices. The issue isn’t that you’re not seeing “viable” reasons, the issue is you refuse to accept the arguments as viable because you choose to see greed and nothing more than your own personal ethics on the situation.

Same case with a guild selling gear they no longer need. At this point I want my guild to bring in random rogues to our split Onyxia runs because Bloodfang Helmets are a guaranteed shard. We get gold, they get their helmet.

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Rather than you having to spend an hour looking for a tank, it’s a lot more convenient to just buy their service and forfeit BoE drops if those are not your primary concern.

I just go do something else and try at another time. I need to breath, eat and sleep. I definitely don’t need to complete a WoW quest or any dungeon run.

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Oh normal person, please don’t compare yourself with the average WoW player.

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You do when nobody wants to run full UBRS anymore and as a Horde you need it a minimum of three times for Onyxia attunement. Tirion Fordring questline requires living stratholme and that’s a prebis item.

Obviously if you intend to do nothing more than mindlessly kill open world mobs with no high end raiding ambitions you don’t need these things but it’s pretty unpleasant playing the game with terrible gear.

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Noone caring or responding, and putting the tank on /ignore is not the same as everyone complaining.

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you’re definitely butthurt if you put tanks looking for work on ignore though.

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Healers could say the same things. x amount of gold per buff (I have to buy those skills, and target you and buff you. And you died so now I have to do it -all- over again). You know that the ankh costs money and those grp wide buffs also cost money. Mages could refuse to give food/water to their group. I mean, they are there to DPS not give out food. Usually it’s, xx LF DPS. And tanks need health stones? Go make a lock alt and farm your own soul shards for the health stone. 2g per summon.

The way to justify entitlement in a game is definitely what you are doing. Comparing supply and demand in an environment, an evolving one, where we try to impose order vs an environment that is created in with cooperation between roles intended.

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Spot on.

People are snowflake babies and can’t stomach the fact that somebody else’s roll is more desired/needed.

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Theres a whole thread on this

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No they can’t healers are a dime a dozen.

Difference is that if you kicked a tank for charging, you might wait anywhere from 5 minutes to an hour.

Kick a healer? Gets replaced in a few minutes, maybe ten on a bad day.

SuPpLyAnDdEmAnD

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Because you can’t do it on your own.

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how is it “entitlement” if you’re not running a dungeon for gear and are just making yourself available as a tank to make some money? there’s usually no shortage of groups who’ve been looking for a tank for 30+ minutes, some people are just willing to pay.

if a tank is running it for gear AND wants to be paid on top of that then sure, it’s entitlement, but if you’re already geared and doing it to make money then how is it entitlement to expect to be compensated for doing work for other players that would otherwise be no benefit to you?

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“imposing order” probably a better idea than getting absolutely nothing. As with cooperation between roles, it just so happens that tanks are probably the most important in any party. Where is the win for the tank when there is nothing to gain from this “cooperation”?

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And a few of them do offer healing services on Faerlina when they no longer need anything and can’t justify doing a dungeon for someone else’s gear and maybe a BoE or two.

Only if your group is garbage and wipes do you need to use one.

Nobody demands they use the group variant, nobody gets mad at a mage for single buffing intellect unless it’s a raid, but in a dungeon nobody cares, in fact some people don’t need it period. Single buff is more economically viable if you and the healer are the only mana classes.

Correct, they can, and that’s their decision. It’s a scummy move but if you’re in a party already you may as well utilize your utility offered to a group that justifies bringing you.

Some people do this as well, though if I’m going to be actively killing mobs so they can get soul shards with drain soul, I at the very least expect one to be used to make me a healthstone should I feel it necessary. If a warlock wants to soul drain off our group’s effort and not use the resource to benefit the group then why would I bother keeping them around?

It isn’t entitlement to demand gold for tanking a dungeon if there is otherwise zero reason for you to go. In fact it’s more entitled to think that all the geared tanks should waste their time and energy tanking your dungeons because you feel they should do it as a service to the community or something stupid. If I do not need something from a dungeon, I will not do that dungeon unless it’s benefitting me in some capacity, be that helping a guildmate gear their toon, maybe trying to fish for some really rare drop like Felstriker I likely won’t see, or just practicing a new rotation out. I certainly won’t go into a dungeon for next to zero reason because “I feel like it.”

Cooperation with roles only applies to inside the dungeon. There isn’t a rule that says “Oh you have a tanking alt that’s geared, you are now expected to do any dungeon that people want.”

People do things by allocating their time and effort, if the reward doesn’t justify the time and effort they won’t do it. But it goes back to what I said earlier, you say the tanks are entitled while you sit here and argue they should allocate their own time they could spend farming gold, as well as their own gold being spent on repairs, and their effort for next to nothing because you need it done, not them, you.