I don’t have anything against anyone here. I simply shared why I support Sylvanas, I’m not sure why I’m being called out and mocked.
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Because to mirror what’s going on in our culture, many people have lost the capacity to disagree with grace.
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Welp partner you should have just read the OP:
Don’t know what really provoked it though, seemed like an alright response to me. Just don’t take it to heart, the thread took an immediate downward spiral once REAL LIFE POLITICS got involved, just like all the other discussions you’d see in GD or Tradechat. What a waste.
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Well I want to man up and apologize for anything that I may have said to offend anybody.
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Well done!
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You recall incorrectly. Their deaths haunt him.
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You know, I used to at least like these two characters before Golden´s awful pre-expac novel started with the systematic destruction of their former characterization. Right now, I actually hope BOTH die so the awful impact both -unfortunately, taking into account it´s not their fault but the fault of writers with zero actual creativity and a poor grasp on basics- have had on the faction WILL die with them.
Just like Maziodyne, I too have abstained from participating on the infamous quest to choose one of them; and I´ve done so cause imho, to choose any of them is to vindicate and applaud a mediocre product. The game IS a product that can be basically reduced to a mix of two componentes: one “technnical” component that can be identified as what we call “gameplay” here on the forums (class/spec design, raid/dungeon/quest design, arena/battleground design, character design, arts/aesthetics, etc.) and the “lore/RPG/narrative” one, that is basically the “tale” that embellish the previously mentioned technnical gameplay and works as the link to hook us players to the game after the technnical has become duller.
And frankly Blizzards´s grasp at the gameplay component in BfA may be a little weak for some (personally I find it ok, maybe a little boring at the end of small patchs but much better than Argus -what can I say, I like my games simple-), but their grasp at the narrative aspect has been positively atrocious. Not only have they tried to pospone questionable truths in regards to this (like admiting they just recreated the story of a previous expac for the lols, insulting in that way the work of the previous team in charge of the story in both Cata/MoP) basically lying to their customers in the process, but literally managed to somehow worsen the coherence and integrity of basic narrative elements of the story; which in consequence brought the ruin of not only Sylvanas and Saurfang but a lot of other characters and even the core elements of the factions in the process.
Call me childish; I certainly fulfill this qualification… But I hate to pay for a 1st class product just to end up with the defective one while the seller tries -and fails- to convince me things are wonderful cause he says so. BfA narrative component is NOT wonderful by any means, no matter how much Danuser or Golden or Afriasiabi himself scream it is.
I refuse to willingly participate in the parody that is that quest (we all know the story has a very high probability of going the MoP 2.0 path; and no matter what “side” we pick, this WILL be irrelevant to the actual conclussion of the expac). Participating in this fallacy is just giving a pat for a job well done on the devs´shoulders, and sorry but they are undeserving.
The only way I will choose a side is if some core technnical aspect of the game stays unavailable (like idk flying or the chance to access a raid or something among those lines).
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Cuz most of the statement was factually inacurate and If you like that character, that’s fine, then just say cuz you like the character, but don’t go making stuff up.
This isn’t a insert character hype thread, this is a bipartisan discussion thread. I don’t care why the character is great, i just want to know the reasons behind choosing one character over the other. I want to discuss the player phyche behind their choice in character alignment.
Per Vol’jin during the Broken Shore event
Per: A Good War when Malfurion was seconds away from swatting Saurfang
Per Broken share and BtS
Per Legion cinematic
Both are my honest opinions based on lore.
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Don’t forget Hillsbrad questing, which includes Kingslayer Orkus’s sacrifice. If the Forsaken forces weren’t in Hillsbrad, Orkus wouldn’t have been there to sacrifice his life for hundreds of Horde lives in the Eastern Kingdoms, as Cromush stated during that quest.
AS WELL AS:
Setting up UC with Blight to keep the city out of Alliance hands, plus her shadow banshee powers from the cinematic.
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Look, if i wanted to read another one of your Sylvanas glorification posts, i wouldn’t have made this thread. I can glorify Saurfang, Vol’jin or anyone just as much as you do Sylvanas, but that is not the intent of this thread. I don’t care about how cool the character is, i want to hear the motivation of the player. Why YOU side with the character.
Like I said, my Horde characters all take different positions on the subject. My Blood Elf warlock is all in on Sylvannas due to her bitter hatred of the Kal’dorei and the Humans. My Blood Elf Huntress, not so much, and my Nightborne Mage is only hearing the story fourth hand. And my High Mountain Tauren isn’t aware at all.
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Sylvanas saved the entire Horde, 2 Horde leaders, and the King of the Alliance therefore I support her. Her saving the Horde alone is more than enough reason to support her. I added the faction leaders and Saurfang because they are important characters. I like that as sinister as she may be, she still displays a lot of courage and heroic feats.
In my 3 most recent WOW reads, “A Good War, Before the Storm and Elegy” Sylvanas is depicted as someone who is really strong on the battle field, If you were to get anything from that statement its the fact that admire military strength.
I hope that helps you into my psyche.
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It does, thank you.
It tells me everything i needed to know with one word:
”Strength”
You admire how much of a dominant presence Sylvanas is in combat, and respect how powerful and effective she is on the battlefield. You adore that she’s a force to be reckoned with and how good she is at dispatching any who stand in her way.
Thank you for humoring me, and sorry for being dung head and mocking you.
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I support Tyrande and her mission to rid the world of your filth! She has enough swol to make it happen.
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No sweat, I could have explained myself a little better.
I did a quick search in a Elegy, and we see the following sentiment throughout the novel:
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The Dark Lady, warchief of the Horde. Slaughterer of thousands. Everything that was anathema to the night elves—contempt for nature, hatred of life, reckless action—was embodied in this single, monstrous banshee. And she was here
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“Glowing red eyes met Delaryn’s, and a sadistic smile curved dark lips. That gaze pierced Delaryn as if it had been an arrow itself. Then Sylvanas Windrunner turned her full attention to a more worthy adversary. Delaryn should have felt lucky. Few of her people had received that gaze and survived.”
Couple that with her “We are a nightmare, the shiver in a cowards spine”, yeah sign me up.
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Faith has been restored, this thread is a good thread agian.
Saufang before BfA’s transition was the old warrior that I had greatly respected as a character and a wow meme lord. I would side with him if the circumstances different, but as BfA continues I’m starting to dislike what his character becoming.
He was always a character that you have known over the years to be OLD and that you knew he did not want to take up the role of leadership unless it involves War. He was basically dormant during Cata, only showed up in his return in MoP only showing up playing a small role in WoD and only appearing in Legion as a background character in cinematic and in warrior’s quest.
He wasn’t made as a more important character until the end of Legion when Thrall apparently no longer was a leader and Saufang taking his place as the Orc representative. I wouldn’t have a problem this unless Saurfang had prior development as a leader of the Orcs in Legion, but as I see it now he is only getting this now during this stupid narrative expansion kind of ruin his character development for me.
I had preferred if he went neutral but now I starting to considering his character death because if his story in BfA was the main reason the devs decided that Horde would burn the tree then I will forever ignore his character.
All of which makes total sense.
I wish we would actually see this attitude expressed by the characters in the story. It would make it a lot more tolerable to have it officially stated that they are following Sylvanas because they feel they must and not because they’re just cool with genocide.
The average Horde citizen isn’t going to believe that the Alliance would be content with bringing Sylvanas down and giving the rest of the Horde a firm slap on the wrist and a lecture.
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I like Sylvanas because she has always came off as such a strong character to me even when she necessarily wasn’t in the story at the time. She’s always been one of the first characters that come to mind when in thought. The Forsaken also have always been my favorite. A people damned by life but just want to thrive. I agree with pretty much what Dotzy said.
Saurfang I liked before this storyline. He was a brute and also an iconic character for the Horde. He’s been with us from the Gates of AhnQiraj, BC, ICC, etc. I just can’t get behind his character now. He comes off as a pretty weak character when compared to that strong orc he was when he had to kill his own son in ICC.
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