Why do you hate Voidform? #removevoidform

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Actually we are saying that the class isn’t fun to play and doesn’t function, at least according to Heylaa. My viewpoint, based on both Legion and BfA gameplay so far is that it DOES function, but that they are QoL issues and a lack of choice in talents. It’s important to note that choice is from TALENTS themselves, not gameplay.

There’s a lot of choice in gameplay. And there used to be a lot of ways to have the shadow priest showcase themselves with that choice. But over time that choice has been diminished as the upper limit of voidform stacks began to be capped by the changes.

A lot of that is because the talents now have too many required talents to make the spec feel good in content. With those choices, it feels just fine. But if you deviate from the choices, it feels bad. So essentially the issue lies with how the spec should feel outside of talents. For there to be more options the issues present with the shadow priest has to be addressed.

It should be noted here that shadow priests are NOT the worst damage. At all. They have quite respectable raid performance and had a lot of good presence for a while. BUT they have some shortcomings in M+ dungeons, and shorter uptime fights. Because the class feels the best and most fulfilled having uninterrupted uptime on 1-3 targets that are closely grouped, there needs to be something that bridges the gap between that kind of gap.

And this is NOT a voidform exclusive issue. The same thing happened in MoP. Shadow did too much damage on multi-target boss fights, got nerfed, and their single target and short term fighting power suffered. It was also a problem in wod too. The class is NOTRIOUS for breaking cleave based fights, with or without voidform.

For me, these are the issues that I have with current shadow priests:

Lack of meaningful talent choices, there are too many that are mandatory.

The class feels awkward outside of their optimal target situation.

Not having void form available for trash pulls in dungeons is bad. You either have no insanity and miss out on the better part of the damage, or you have to save insanity and sit in shadow form capping insanity for the next pull. This is a choice we shouldn’t have to make.

These things can be addressed and still keep voidform. And voidform doesn’t have to retain literally everything about itself either.

But the answer is not to go back to a boring system or orbs just so you can feel like you have more choice. There’s a lot more choice in the gameplay of shadow, and none in the talents. Going back to orbs would remove choice in the gameplay and MAYBE add choice in the talents. Not a tradeoff I want to see.

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Here’s my problem with that though. You and those other people aren’t the only ones that play this game. If it wasn’t for the uninteresting content I would have come back sooner. I came back for Nyalotha because it was super interesting to me where the rest of BfA story and content just, wasn’t. Legion was the opposite for me. I loved the early content and was playing quite heavily for a while. I played with a friend and made a lot of moves and changes for him. He quit a few weeks after all that investment and I felt lost, but still kept playing. Once Argus came out though I just lost interest in the content and story, just didn’t really enjoy it.

But the one thing I loved from Legion to now is the voidform shadow priest. I love how it plays and feels, and I love just jamming around on the class. I might not be pushing “elite” content, but w/e I have to get gear somehow. I was 112 at the beginning of this week, with only 2 days played time I have made it to 120, gotten my professions up, and jammed through the questlines to get my cloak. now I am working on upgrading my gear so that I can do better content. LFR was mostly to get myself at a baseline of power so I could do M+ and raiding. The guild I am in now is 5/12 Mythic Nyalotha. I’m hoping to get to do content with them, but I have to get geared first.

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Based on this logic…

this statement is false…because how would you know? you didn’t do high M+ or raids (other than the LFR, which you didn’t even finish 2 of them). We can tell from your profile.

just following your logic don’t @ me.

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I wouldn’t expect you to understand why the last two bosses in LFR for Nyalotha aren’t cleared for me with TWO DAYS OF PLAYED TIME AT 120 when you don’t even play. But by all means, continue to repeat this nonsense while I report your posts.

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Alright i’m all ears.

What talents do you propose will fix our gameplay?
Because at the core… even with all the current talents taken and made passive, it still doesn’t fix the clunky playstyle.

Because if we start out with good burst, we will still ramp out of control… Blizz will Nerf it.

I don’t know what else can be said that hasn’t already but I am others on the form took a shot at how to balance Void Form / Insanity (not broken but not OP) and just general how to make it so it doesn’t feel awkward and clunky and couldn’t really come up with much. When you take into consideration the amount of experience we all have playing it can cant come up with how to fix it in its current state & how blizzard has handled and currently handling it, does not bode well.

I rather them not waste time trying to fix it and end up making another crappy version of it when we can just go back to what has worked in the past in the form of… a Solid Foundation. This murky muck oozing mush of Void Form / Insanity is simply to unstable to fix when they clearly said they wont make “Legion” level changes.

So, What talents will fix the spec?

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how do you have 2 days of game time at 120 when its the end of the expansion? where were you 2 years ago? it took you 2 years to level to 120?

so many unanswered questions…something doesn’t add up here.

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Keep Void Form. As a talent.

I and many others have already mentioned this days ago.

You can easily make the spec at base play with Shadow Orbs and just make a Void Form talent that gives that play style.

Again, options/choices. that’s all we want.

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thank you so much. that’s what i been screaming but he insists on us having to deal with voidform. like what happened to live and let live?

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Oh is it nerding out time?

Lets see… This Priest has 260 days 8 hours total play time.

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And this priest has 144 days 13 hours.

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So what you’re saying is you didn’t main priest at all this expansion. Honest to god question what did you main this expansion?

you came here claiming to be the all-knowing father of priests and you didn’t even play it this expansion… well until the end.

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No it adds up just fine, you just don’t read posts and I don’t feel like repeating it for you.

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No actually I didn’t claim that. But keep giving me fuel to report you with. This post is against ToS as have your last 4 replies to me. You haven’t bothered to converse with me, so I see no reason to do the same back.

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what do you mean you said it yourself.you started playing your priest this week.

here you said that at the beginning of this week you were 112. SO that means you didn’t play shadow this expansion. Dude you start the expansion at 110 and at the beginning of this week you were 112 as you stated above. So you didn’t main shadow. it’s a simple 1+1 logic.

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Yes, I started playing again in bfa PERIOD this week. Because I had no interest in the BfA content until now. I’m no expert but at least I have touched the class more this expansion than it seems most of you have.

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and the truth finally comes out. thank you very much.

EDIT: Just leaving this here…

I told yall the hypocrisy in this one is strong.

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It doesn’t matter how many times you suggest it.

The suggestion of “Just make voidform a talent” is an incredibly shortsighted and quite frankly, ridiculous suggestion that has no substantial merit.

Just a few of the problems this suggestion pose are:

  1. Trying to balance a talent that completely changes the mechanics of the class while having the same spell pool
  2. What if the voidform talent is the best option for that row? Congratulations, now you’re exactly back to square one because you’re going to take that talent, and you’re going to use voidform, solving nothing because if it’s a substantial DPS increase, no one is going to accept you without you taking that talent. I hope you’re not looking at BFA talents and basing your decision off that, because talents throughout WoW change all the time.
  3. Trying to balance Shadow Priest talents with a talent that doesn’t synergize with any of the other talents or spells since you’ve reverted back to shadow orbs and Shadow Priest needs to be completely reworked to fit around that mechanic again for current content.
  4. How do you add to Shadow Priests in the future? Now you have to add spells for both the shadow orbs mechanic and the voidform mechanic.
  5. How do you balance numerical changes to the shadow orbs mechanic when you have a complete separate mechanic as a talent that needs to also then be balanced numerical by the same measure? How do you even compare the two in order to accurately adjust both mechanics?
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Only a week huh?

Replace your Azerite gear with nothing or something without taking any traits yet.
Take off your neck.

Then just go around playing the spec as its base form doing world bosses and stuff around Zandalar or something.

I would be surprised if you think that’s more fun and engaging compared to Shadow Orbs in any form of WoD, MoP and Cata.

The spec simply does not work at its base. It cant and wont without tipping over and becoming OP like it was early Legion and then get smacked down to being pathetic once again.

Shadow Orbs mechanic is something that can work because it did work.

Case closed.

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not only that but there is more opportunities to develope it and offer different playstyles and its easier to balance.

case closed and buried sir.

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We discussed the finer points in this thread some days ago.
It might not be a smooth way to make void form a talent but its a start. I’m sure if blizzard tried then they might come up with something. By try I mean actually try, not just throw it at the wall and clapping each other on the back while it slides down dripping and drooling on the floor lol.
https://us.forums.blizzard.com/en/wow/t/a-proper-rework-for-shadow-is-needed-and-my-suggestions/498762/28

Also, If its so hard to balance around and your forced to only play the way blizzard cough intends then that’s more of a reason to go Shadow Orbs route as at least there, you can have option and choices as how you want to play Shadow… our only DPS spec.

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