Why do you hate Dungeons and Raid Finder really?

[Femaledwarf-tichondrius (Femaledwarf)]

Item inflation.

[Kreivos-zuljin (Kreivos)]

Honestly I thought it was fair too at the time, but history shows us it was a step in the wrong direction for the game as a whole.

So, you would go back to having people suffer through the agonizing process of getting rejected and ignored for groups, and have content reserved for the small percentage elite again? I really do not want to go back to those days.

[Teksuo-grizzly-hills]

on one side:
elitists don’t like the non-elite to get gear-score

on the other side:
who cares.

[Bellharth-moon-guard]

To be fair in FFXIV you just have to spam a rotation and you cant die even of half the raid trolls. So it is pretty… boring.

[Waroath-thrall]

on one side:
elitists don’t like the non-elite to get gear-score

It’s more nuanced than that.

Something more like ‘Top players don’t care what gear other people have but don’t like seeing people vastly underpreform in what gear they have when the top players are grouped with them.’

For example, at similar item levels a player that knows the instance and their role+spec can do well. Another player that doesn’t know or care to know things about the game or their character is doing 30% of the damage and none of the mechanics of the 1st player even though they are both at similar item levels.

This is why the M+ addon/site was made, to track things that gear couldn’t.

[Raiza-frostmane]

So, you would go back to having people suffer through the agonizing process of getting rejected and ignored for groups, and have content reserved for the small percentage elite again? I really do not want to go back to those days.

Agonizing? Just start your own group. I’m not sure how you had such a bad time. I sucked so bad and could get in groups with other people who sucked and we progressed in our own way. I didn’t kill Illidan while he was relevant, but every boss in SSC and TK that we killed was still satisfying.

[Ríyx-tichondrius (Ríyx)]

I don’t hate dungeon finder, but raid finder I try avoiding simply due to the overwhelming amount of carelessness and toxic behavior of people acting like they can do no wrong. 10+ stacks of Determination isn’t a great thing to see when loading into the raid.

However, lfg does open up a huge chunk of the game to players that either can’t find groups/guilds or don’t have the time to do higher difficulty raiding or mythic+. Lfr DS back in Cata did help give me a slight grasp on what raiding even was.

[Teksuo-grizzly-hills]

This is why the M+ addon/site was made

i enjoyed that a lot, but it’s hard to find a reason to keep doing that once you got a +10 of every dungeon -.-

[Waroath-thrall]

So, you would go back to having people suffer through the agonizing process of getting rejected and ignored for groups, and have content reserved for the small percentage elite again?

The only ‘content’ that was reserved for top players in Wrath was 25H mode or Ulduar hard mode until 3.3 released. Until then it was easy enough to join groups to clear Normal Naxx and Ulduar assuming you had the gearscore to do it.

Content hasn’t really been reserved for elite players since …level 60 Naxx and raids after Kara in Burning Crusade. Thats why Naxx level 80 was made as ‘accessable’ as it was, so more players could clear content compared to the % of players that cleared any raid content in BC.

[Sajitarius-sisters-of-elune]

on one side:
elitists don’t like the non-elite to get gear-score

on the other side:
who cares.

It’s like when I’m playing Monopoly. I land on Boardwalk with Hotels, and reach over to the bank and grab a few $500 bills. Sometimes people complain, but they’re just elitists. I ask them why they care how I play the game? How does it affect them? We’re just here to have fun.

[Waroath-thrall]

but it’s hard to find a reason to keep doing that once you got a +10 of every dungeon -.-

So then you aren’t incentivized by harder content, you are incentivized by other rewards from the game.

Thats why there are so many ways to play WoW now, so it can appeal to the most number of players available.

[Kreivos-zuljin (Kreivos)]

Agonizing? Just start your own group. I’m not sure how you had such a bad time. I sucked so bad and could get in groups with other people who sucked and we progressed in our own way. I didn’t kill Illidan while he was relevant, but every boss in SSC and TK that we killed was still satisfying.

Already told you, being a rogue on a low-pop server who could only play at late night hours…it was never that simple. Most of the time when I tried to form groups, it’d just be three DPS sitting there for an hour or two while I tried in vain to find that vaunted tank and healer.

I would have seriously liked to fight Vashj, Kael, Illidan, and Kil’jaeden, all characters I knew and loved from WC3 that I played before WoW, but because of the way the game was designed there was never any hope for someone like me to do so.

[Waroath-thrall]

I ask them why they care how I play the game? How does it affect them? We’re just here to have fun.

Something more like ‘Top players don’t care what gear other people have but don’t like seeing people vastly underpreform in what gear they have when the top players are grouped with them.’

For example, at similar item levels a player that knows the instance and their role+spec can do well. Another player that doesn’t know or care to know things about the game or their character is doing 30% of the damage and none of the mechanics of the 1st player even though they are both at similar item levels.

Sums it up imo.

You sucking at this game makes other players enjoyment suck. If you don’t know what you are doing others need to compensate for you or you don’t get to do harder content (where players can’t compensate as easily).

I’m not trying to be mean, I’m just trying to explain a point.

[Lillyann-llane (Lillyann)]

I use both of these every time I see a call to arms up. That money is some decent money.

[Waroath-thrall]

I use both of these every time I see a call to arms up. That money is some decent money

This. 1k gold and some AH stones for tanking a Heroic? Heck yes. (Also a chance at more xmog.)

[Lillyann-llane (Lillyann)]

I’m sitting on 6 stacks of those stones. I really should list some lol

[Waroath-thrall]

I really should list some lol

Not yet. Wait until the 1st week of the new raid when people will pay hundreds more gold for each.

If you are out to make a profit, make one.

[Raiza-frostmane]

I know what you mean. I didn’t kill any of those guys while it was relevant but it would have been cool. Back then I always had that incentive to progress so I could kill them. Now we can just wait a month after the raid launches and get a kill without pressing a single button.

But I am happy you are having a better time with the game now.

[Lillyann-llane (Lillyann)]

Hmmm… this is a good plan.

[Jmanwarrior-darkspear (Jmanwarrior)]

BFA dungeons seem really meh. I thought WOTLK, MOP and Legion had some decent ones