Why do you care if my alt is better than your main?

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As round about ego strokes go this one is really stretching things thin.

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sorry if my bait title baited you here accidentally.

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I mean. was your goal to incite an emotional response, rather than rational discussion? Because that is why one uses bait titles. And if we aren’t after an actual discussion, then I guess I can move on. Since this is just trying to troll people then.

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I will give you this then. Your race choice is rather appropriate.

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You won’t do as good in heroic raid, unless you’re fine with being carried and not pulling in your own weight. Heroic is easy enough that alt should do it, but its not normal/LFR.

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There is a difference in “not doing as good” and “carrying your weight”.

You don’t need perfect essences to carry your weight. You only need perfect essences if your personal skill is lacking and you need to compensate.

You can pull adequate heroic raid quality numbers without perfect rank 3 essences.

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For certain specs, Lucid especially is a make or break essence. Arms warrior and fire mage come to mind. You’re basically losing 10k dps minimum by choosing anything else.

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I’d be ok if essences retained their requirements but eliminated their artificial timegated mechanics.
Like, for example, to upgrade Worldvein you’re required to do the weekly Expeditions quest and start a 3-4 days table mission. What if instead we could do all the expeditions we want to do in a day or 2 and use doubloons to unlock R2 and R3? It’s the same work, minus the time gating.

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It doesn’t affect me one way or the other. Doesn’t mean I’m now disallowed from the discussion you’re trying to start up and pointing out where I think the arguments in question are terrible.

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And something like this would be a better solution. I am all for making them easier. Just not blanket granting end game power for free to any toon that hits 120.

Personally, I want WoW to remain as much of a character progression game as possible. I am not a fan of account progression games.

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My idea would be a BoA currency that any of your toons can gather in Current Patch content, like M+, Raids and Visions for exemple. It’s flexible and your toon can work for their own stuff while doing current content and all toon can help.

I’m not asking for nothing “free”

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You stated you wanted to get aotc on your alts and starring with LFR/normal and low keys.

So…

  1. Crucible of Flame - you are required to unlock this essence to have any essences at all. Neck boosts to 50. Will reach rank 3 (neck level 60) while just playing due to such high neck catchup levels.

2 &3) N’Zoth require the cloak to not get mine controlled, so I assume you are getting the cloak. Going through the cloak quest line and doing the 1st vision gives you 2 essences.

  1. If you are doing low mythic+, you will get focusing iris (meme beam) on your first +4. If you consider +7 still as “low” you can jump to rank 2. Rank 3 will happen by default based on weekly cache.

  2. if you happen to do Mecha: Workshop as your mythic+ you also get Vision of Perfection.

  3. if you are doing LFR/Normal Nylatha you get the raid essence from boss kill drops.

  4. This is slightly more optional, but if you did a few islands you get world vein.

So, 5 of these are 100% things you said you are doing.

#6 is reasonable, depending on your key.

#7 I left as optional even though it’s helpful to boost your neck level and the time requirement is minimal.

And you can only equip 4.

So…yes?

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Which is how WoW has been since day 1. Each character you create makes his/her own way from level 1-max level, normally going the same exact route as the one before him/her if it’s a similar race. Every one of your alts have had to level through the BfA zones to get max level. That’s running the exact same content. It adds to your character level/experience/rep. And yes, it draws out time as time is what it takes to play the game.

I have played other games and with each character that I created, I had to do the exact same thing to get to the top. It’s nothing new, and you’ll do it when SL hits. You just don’t want to do the essences again and Ion has said they won’t be account-bound. So it’s either work towards getting them or just passing on playing that alt in the highest content, OR making do with sub-par essences and getting them in your spare time if they are really that important.

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The same argument could be applied to just about everything in the game though.

There would be no reason to do anything on an alt if you have done it already on a main.

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This thread was created for account wide essences.

So yes, you are.

If you don’t actually want that, and prefer a currency system, then maybe you should have lead with that instead.

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I understand that, but for how many specs are those essence combination viable? each specs will have different essence grind to do some much longer than others.

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I’m all for account-wide essences. I don’t think progressing on a system completely external to my character consists as character progression. Its different than asking for free loot. In fact i’d rather not have the essences or corruption systems at all and have our characters and the loot we get from content properly balanced at their core.

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Its the same thing, Make the essence available to all your accoutn when unlocked on a character, and my idea is one idea how to aquire them on other character in your account with a BoA currency for exemple.
I don’t necessarily want a Heirloom page of essences. It’s the current amount of grind required per character that is the issue.

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Fire is pretty much the main outlier with how big of a deal lucid dream is, but just getting rank 1 is more than sufficient.

Why don’t you sim your alts and see?

In my alts cases at least 2 were BiS but within a few hundred dps others if not (in sims of 60,000 so 800 dps is negligible, less than 1%).